Schn3ll

Correct, but like any product for sale, most make an informed decision on what to buy based on information provided unprompted by the manufacturer.

When asked for details, they may not give away their special sauce, and each one is going to espouse why theirs is better. If they aren’t producing sufficient reasons in easily accessible information, that’s on them, and it shouldn’t require consumers to press for more detail.

Do you go to the grocery store, look at the steaks and then ask the butcher if you can speak directly to the farm that raised the cow so you ask detailed questions about the diet and grazing pastures? Or do you look at the steak and pick the one that looks the best?

Fullyield

Thank you for putting this comparative info together and starting a good discussion.

Fullyield

I am glad to hear M Engineering and Softronic’s comments. Encourage APR and COBB to comment also. That is why we are having this discussion.

Fullyield

I just sold my Cobb for my 981S on PCA Market. Sold same day I posted it.

Schn3ll

Just updated the OP again.

If anything is inaccurate, please help me correct this. I do not wish to sell any company short in what they are offering with these tunes.

This is merely an attempt to get all data laid out as objectively as possible so individuals can make their own informed decisions using a handy guide to make it easier.

jlegelis

>> Correct, but like any product for sale, most make an informed decision on what to buy based on information provided unprompted by the manufacturer.

Like cabinetry and furniture, perhaps you should go for a full custom 'pro tune' on a dyno and skip the 'Ikea' OTS version? That way you can handle the good to your hearts content until they're the way you like it. As the racer's adage says, "Speed costs money. How fast do you wanna go?"

stiff///M

Not to be a jerk but this much of this table is wrong and misleading. It seems like you are only updating things you want to. Besides the dyno numbers being a mix of crank vs wheel hp as mentioned already, it's the delta % of the stock vs tuned you should show. Then the "wireless" and "onthefly" ability is wrong as well.

Schn3ll

992 tune = $2,000
Custom cabinets = $50k+

I've spent less time than it took you to write these posts to make a decision to buy $15k+ watches. Some people don't have time to be pedantic and the money isn't the issue. They just want a bit more power, don't need a pro-tune, aren't drag racing anyone and are interested in specific meaningful features. That's the aim of this comparison.

Schn3ll

I am using the data provided by the tuners. How else should I have displayed the information if this is exactly what anyone else searching for would be looking at as well?

What am I not updating? Could you be constructive?

jlegelis

>> I've spent less time than it took you to write these posts to make a decision to buy $15k+ watches.

good for you. peace out.

Schn3ll

You clearly took offense to my point - thin skin will get you far in the real world. Good luck.

The point you missed is that the cost of a $2,000 tune is nothing to most 992 owners - these are $150k+ cars. And most of us don't have time to reach out to each of the tuners and ask specific questions about their protection parameters for safe engine tuning and the 3,850 rpm boost curves.

Harbortime

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I thought jlegelis post was full of great information and added value to this thread unlike your hot air.

Schn3ll

What information of his added value? Saying that "comparing OTS tunes is meaningless" which is exactly what I am comparing? Or saying "I should be asking questions" when the whole point of this was to compare what tuners put on their websites for us to compare against?

What did I say that was rude or opinionated? I think you are conflating your feelings with facts.

zachr

Rather than listing hp/tq, you should list the delta over the tuner's baseline (both whole # and %) for a more apples-to-apples comparison.

M Eng doesn't increment a flash counter and is claimed to be undetectable if removed before a dealer visit; that said, I assume if your engine exploded while tuned Porsche may have a way to figure that out and that would be true for any tune.

Fullyield

And your unsolicited snarky comment about M Engineering contribution to the discussion was polite and objective????? Ohhh, pleeeaaaase!