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M-engineering tuning offered at the Porsche Dealership
Great news!
I just found out that M-engineering tuning is actually offered by my Porsche dealership. It’s one of the several authorized installers/dealers. Price is the same as everywhere else.
Does this mean that they won’t void our warranty when we tune it with this?
This thread has gotten a bit out of hand especially with our company name in the title of it so I wanted to chime one final time.
If maintaining your car's warranty is a top concern of yours, tuning probably isn't for you. That being said, our product makes it very easy to return to stock, literally 5 minutes, and is a byte for byte stock file with a verified CVN, verified CALID, and no raised flash counter. I have not seen or heard of a single 992 engine failure (Carrera or Turbo) using our product. I also have not heard of a warranty being voided after going to the dealer after returning to stock with our product.
These cars are so overbuilt from the factory it's unreal. Porsche has made a great canvas for customization and that is the amazing thing about the 911. We are all so very fortunate to be able to drive these cars. If you enjoy adding more power to your daily driver, adding fun modifications, or pushing your car to new limits, the product we have created for this community is very enjoyable. Our future pipeline also has some unique custom code we've written that adds more engine safeties beyond what the factory has to offer, and we can't wait to share these with you.
At the end of the day, it's up to the end-user to do their own risk analysis when choosing to mod their vehicle in any capacity.
We are here to answer any additional questions anyone may have! 949.444.2150 or info@m-engineering.us
Your dealer might be mod friendly but I think it just means that Porsche would now know for certain the car was tuned 😁 ... and I think Porsche NA approves warranty claims and not the dealer.
If dealership is offering a tune, I think it's safe to say dealership will cover any issues whether they go to M-engineering or PCNA.
And why would that be? The Porsche warranty literature is quite about modifications and warranty. Unless the dealer provides something in writing, they are in no way obligated to cover anything.
I think the big thing is that it means the dealer won't reflexively try to blame everything on the tune and will advocate for you in the event of a warranty issue.
At the end of the day, if you have a catastrophic failure (whether or not it's related to the tune), then Porsche gets involved and the dealer doesn't have much to say about it.
Some tunes offer warranties (ie APR, I believe). I don't think M-eng does.
Gotta love the warranty preachers and finger waggers. They are NOT going to tune their 911s so you should not either! OMG, what about that almighty warranty. Who has busted a motor with a reasonable non ragged edge calibration from a known, reputable tuner.
Last edited by shelbyking; 03-04-2024 at 10:20 AM.
Gotta love the warranty preachers and finger waggers. They are NOT going to tune their 911s so you should not either! OMG, what about that almighty warranty. Who has busted a motor with a reasonable non ragged edge calibration from a known, reputable tuner.
One of the moderators on this board has cratered an engine on his 992 and warranty was denied for an engine replacement because he had a tune. And there has been at least one other member on the 992 forum that had his engine crater shortly after delivery - he did not have a tune and it was covered under warranty. The point is: it does happen and they will deny the warranty.
I had a M-Engineering Tune on my 992 so I don't judge anyone's choice either way. But if they deny the warranty, you're out $70K I've heard... Many don't want to take that chance. It's not alarmism.
One of the moderators on this board has cratered an engine on his 992 and warranty was denied for an engine replacement because he had a tune. And there has been at least one other member on the 992 forum that had his engine crater shortly after delivery - he did not have a tune and it was covered under warranty. The point is: it does happen and they will deny the warranty.
I had a M-Engineering Tune on my 992 so I don't judge anyone's choice either way. But if they deny the warranty, you're out $70K I've heard... Many don't want to take that chance. It's not alarmism.
The moderator’s tune wasn’t from a known reputable tuner, it was from a local tuner.
Gotta love the warranty preachers and finger waggers. They are NOT going to tune their 911s so you should not either! OMG, what about that almighty warranty. Who has busted a motor with a reasonable non ragged edge calibration from a known, reputable tuner.
You are missing the point... lots of people tune cars and remove them before the dealer does work. In this example, you now have a tune on record with the dealer. In the off chance something does go wrong and PCNA gets involved, you will absolutely have an issue because the tune is 100% known even if the dealer doesn't care. And no one is actually saying a tune will bust an engine... I don't believe they will. But engines do have issues sometimes and there is no way on earth PCNA will be OK with a major engine repair on a car that is known to have been tuned. This isn't finger wagging or preaching, it is simply making a decision eyes wide open and not being in denial. Everything is great, until it isn't... and as long as someone is prepared to pay the penalty, even if it is highly unlikely, then tune away!
The moderator’s tune wasn’t from a known reputable tuner, it was from a local tuner.
That doesn't matter in the context of this discussion IMO because the failure may have had nothing at all to do with the tune. The issue is that simply because a tune existed... any tune... it was getting the blame rightly or wrongly.
Great to see a tune be offered by a dealership. Obviously fine print here matters but PCNA endorsing and approving of a tune would typically mean good things for the car owner. I would definitely get a tune from the dealership if so.
The moderator’s tune wasn’t from a known reputable tuner, it was from a local tuner.
That's a pretty key piece of info there.
If one wishes to tune their car while under factory warranty, then select the tune provider wisely AS WELL AS selecting the dealer AND dealer service advisor wisely.
Exactly right above. Dealers are NOT your friends or tune friendly when it comes to the bill. They will call the local engineer rep for Porsche, which is a sin eater. That's the bad guy that denied your warranty, not the poor humble dealer. PCNA will deny warranty over an engine if they can. Look at the manual and see how many situations they don't cover.
I don't believe most tuning damages engines. I do believe that a lot of engines have inherent problems. As of now, Porsche tends to cover engine problems with track use, but they can easily deny that, see the manual. I recall a Canadian owner that got denied bc he had a TPC suspension box. Porsche said too many g's starved the engine from oil and was a no-go for warranty. Similar to using slick tires.
I wouldn't tell anyone to lie when asked if there's a tune in case of an engine crap out. Bear in mind that they really don't investigate much at the dealer level. They threat doing that at the factory, but I have my doubts it's worth their time.
Great to see a tune be offered by a dealership. Obviously fine print here matters but PCNA endorsing and approving of a tune would typically mean good things for the car owner. I would definitely get a tune from the dealership if so.
Where did you see PCNA endorsing it? The dealer may have but the dealer doesn't determine warranty eligibility and PCNA did not in any way endorse the tune
03-03-2024 | 07:40 PM
M-engineering tuning offered at the Porsche Dealership
