Carrera T vs. S vs. GTS
01-28-2024 | 04:18 PM
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Given how everything is essentially modular, I sort of wish Porsche would make a completely customizable 911.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
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01-28-2024 | 04:32 PM
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Given how everything is essentially modular, I sort of wish Porsche would make a completely customizable 911.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
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01-28-2024 | 04:44 PM
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Biggest bang for the buck! I believe 992 or 992.2 would be last ICE Porsche worth buying and keeping. So would like a long-term 911 to do it all. BUT, prices are so insane out of hands, specially the ridiculous options since my 997 times, I rather get the best technical platform for the money I can get.
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01-28-2024 | 05:04 PM
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Did the S have the sport suspension?
Were the S tires set to 45psi also?
Were the S tires set to 45psi also?
While my experience is only with the S and GTS test drives, the differences were quite minor on the road in perceived performance. The most notable was the suspension, with the S handling the city street bumps more comfortably than the GTS (2 cars driven, with and without PDDC). I attribute part of that to tire pressures through, with GTS very high (45+ rear), and I don't think the salesman would have appreciated me lowering them! The GTS did sound better given the removal of additional insulation.
After that it all comes down to customization. I settled on a GTS order, although probably overdid the options driving quite the build delay (I'd go simpler next time).
After that it all comes down to customization. I settled on a GTS order, although probably overdid the options driving quite the build delay (I'd go simpler next time).
01-28-2024 | 05:50 PM
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01-28-2024 | 07:25 PM
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Can something that’s “the biggest bang for the buck” simultaneously also be Porsche’s highest margin Carrera trim? 😉 The GTS is the trim level that gives you a bunch of options as standard equipment. If you want all of those things, sure, banging deal vs adding them all to an S. If you don’t want those things, not so much.
If I was buying a 992 today, I would do a stripper spec manual transmission Carrera T and shoot for an MSRP of less $130k (Carrera Exclusive wheels, maybe a metallic color — like that’s it). Keep it simple and keep it light. IMHO. I think that’s the best bang for the buck in the range.
If I was buying a 992 today, I would do a stripper spec manual transmission Carrera T and shoot for an MSRP of less $130k (Carrera Exclusive wheels, maybe a metallic color — like that’s it). Keep it simple and keep it light. IMHO. I think that’s the best bang for the buck in the range.
01-29-2024 | 02:10 AM
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I was thinking about it, and there is so much similarity between the trims that I wonder if Porsche has a "binning" process when it comes to which cars get what?
What I mean / For example:
Parts are evaluated for quality and assigned A/B/C grade:
GTS only gets "A grade" parts
S gets "A/B grade" parts
Base / T gets "A/B/C grade" parts
Does anyone know if this type of thing is done at any level of production?
What I mean / For example:
Parts are evaluated for quality and assigned A/B/C grade:
GTS only gets "A grade" parts
S gets "A/B grade" parts
Base / T gets "A/B/C grade" parts
Does anyone know if this type of thing is done at any level of production?
This isn't a C8.
01-29-2024 | 03:36 AM
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I think you are over estimating the state of industrial science.
Some variations I can think of off the top of my head would be:
Fresh tooling
Middle of life tooling
End of Life tooling
Reworks
If everything came out perfect I don't think we would need Quality Control and Warranties anymore.
Some variations I can think of off the top of my head would be:
Fresh tooling
Middle of life tooling
End of Life tooling
Reworks
If everything came out perfect I don't think we would need Quality Control and Warranties anymore.
01-29-2024 | 11:59 AM
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I think you are over estimating the state of industrial science.
Some variations I can think of off the top of my head would be:
Fresh tooling
Middle of life tooling
End of Life tooling
Reworks
If everything came out perfect I don't think we would need Quality Control and Warranties anymore.
Some variations I can think of off the top of my head would be:
Fresh tooling
Middle of life tooling
End of Life tooling
Reworks
If everything came out perfect I don't think we would need Quality Control and Warranties anymore.
01-29-2024 | 03:09 PM
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01-29-2024 | 03:20 PM
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991.1 GTS came with the X51 "Power Kit" that you could also install on a Carrera S if you had deep pockets.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/SKU991X51.html
The lack of differentiation in the engine bay is why some hardcore enthusiasts, YouTubers, and reviewers have opined that the 992 GTS is something of a lesser GTS when compared to prior generations. If the rumors are true, Porsche is righting this situation by taking some big steps with 992.2 GTS to better differentiate it from the rest of the Carrera trims.
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01-29-2024 | 06:00 PM
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991.2 had different turbos.
991.1 GTS came with the X51 "Power Kit" that you could also install on a Carrera S if you had deep pockets.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/SKU991X51.html
The lack of differentiation in the engine bay is why some hardcore enthusiasts, YouTubers, and reviewers have opined that the 992 GTS is something of a lesser GTS when compared to prior generations. If the rumors are true, Porsche is righting this situation by taking some big steps with 992.2 GTS to better differentiate it from the rest of the Carrera trims.
991.1 GTS came with the X51 "Power Kit" that you could also install on a Carrera S if you had deep pockets.
https://www.suncoastparts.com/product/SKU991X51.html
The lack of differentiation in the engine bay is why some hardcore enthusiasts, YouTubers, and reviewers have opined that the 992 GTS is something of a lesser GTS when compared to prior generations. If the rumors are true, Porsche is righting this situation by taking some big steps with 992.2 GTS to better differentiate it from the rest of the Carrera trims.
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01-29-2024 | 06:29 PM
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Given how everything is essentially modular, I sort of wish Porsche would make a completely customizable 911.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
You just start with a 992 chassis.
Then add whatever you want.
PDK-S, cabriolet, twin turbo 3.0L? check.
Targa, double suspension, 6MT? check
Twin turbo 3.0L, 6MT? check
4.0 NA, Targa roof, 7MT? done
Twin turbo 3.0L, double suspension, PDK, cabriolet, AWD? done
Etc.
Now that would be cool.
01-29-2024 | 06:33 PM
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I had the 992 S PASM Sport and swtiched to Ohlins R&T. Night and day difference and really like the wide spectrum of adjustability. I can feel it through the steering wheel as well. Sharper, while more compliant than stock SPASM. Used to cringe while going over large/harsh bumps, but not anymore. I will say that the sharper bumps / road imperfections are more noticeable due to stiffer springs (70 / 140 N/mm).
01-29-2024 | 06:51 PM
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The 992T brakes are more than adequate for track use. I've tracked twice at the Glen, no pad upgrades or anything 10 sessions over 2 days 40 mins/each no fade, overheating etc.
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