bobert75

I agree - and that's exactly what I did. My '23 T was $125k before tax (just $7k in options) & I got everything I wanted except PTS (which of course would have diluted the "value" play). I love the car - no regrets. I had originally placed a demand order for an S with PTS just over 2.5 years ago that, for 2023 model year prices, would have been about $29k more. Apples to apples - iow, w/o PTS - it would have been about $19k more (my S build vs my T build).

I had originally gone to the dealer to ask about getting on a T waitlist but in July '21 (15 months before the 992 T announcement) the dealer wasn't interested in such things. So they suggested the demand order for an S. If I had gotten an S allocation, I'd have gotten leather interior to be able to get sport-tex seat centers, and then I'd have added other stuff like extended deviated stitching. But with sport-tex standard in the T, I thought I'd keep the options light, esp w/PTS being unavailable.

The GTS is nice (great picture thread!) - any rwd 911 coupe that offers a stick shift interests me - but I turned down a GTS allocation 3 weeks before getting my T allocation because I wanted dark gray or satin platinum wheels plus the sport-tex seat centers, neither of which I could get on a GTS (and I'm not a big fan of race-tex).

vasmir

Good to know for this summer at laguna Seca.
Were you running stock brake fluid?

subwoofer

Porsche’s hierarchy across the 992 and 718 range is: GTS > S > T > base. Applies to the Macan too.
In the 718, GTS is arguably the best from my biased perspective being the owner of a Boxster 25.
As a former owner of a 991.2 4s, If I were to order another 911 today, I think I would still pick a lightly-optioned S. Pricing is getting unreal for me for the GTS.

CanAutM3

To be more complete:

turbo-S > turbo > GTS > S > T > base

And it applies to the entire Porsche offering (911, Cayman, Boxter, Panamera, Macan, Cayenne and Taycan). Then there’s the “GT” and special models side lineups.

subwoofer

Haha. Yes of course. The base is well base I suppose and a bottom feeder. At the minimum, one would want an S or GTS from this list just to avoid embarrassment and the pitying looks from the staff at the dealer. Just a joke guys.

TheGeneral

I know…..I bet they won’t even service a T or a base….😂

VarTheVar

I would be surprised if you didn't fade your brakes within 5 laps at Laguna, but it depends on your pace

alexb76

I agree 100%. Even during 997 times, there were significant differences. Powerkit could have been ordered and it involved multiple upgraded parts.

The fact that Base, T, S, and GTS are essentially mechanically the same engine is totally unacceptable and ridiculous. I’m sure they made a ton more money that way due to synergies. Just a different tune, different decal and you can charge premium. It’s disgusting honestly.

Hence, T for sure seems to be the best bang for the buck, or Base for that matter if you wanted PDK.

alexb76

Thank you all. Good discussion.

I think based on all I’ve read, if you’re ordering new, T is the only sensible option, if used, S is best bang for the buck. The fact that GTS/S/T/Base all have the same engine is absolutely ridiculous. You can always swap brakes or suspension. One reason 997 GTS was so popular, was the fact that its engine was unique, or center lock wheels.

I find Porsche main line of cars seems to be a marketing practice, and that’s quite a shame.

I’ll see what kind of T I can find or would wait for next gen. I simply can’t stand the small brakes on the T, would have quickly swapped them out if I got one.

aggie57

I’ve run Laguna Seca 3 times in my S; the 1st time I ran standard pads and they faded 3-4 laps in. Next 2 times I ran DS2500’s which are a compromise pad but still better than the factory ones.