Mikey K

[QUOTE=Drew46;19201797]Read it again, at no point do I state it is a certainty
I simply stated (with the caveat "I'm not so sure") my experience based on 7 sets of MPS4S across AMG, BMW, Porsche, Ferrari and McLarens
It is my opinion, not a statement of fact

Mikey K

True
I'm still running in the GTS and have an Irish tour scheduled in a month.
I'll use up the P Zeros on those two and then buy a set of MPS4S ready for being run in and the weather improving.

gcurnew

I got the Goodyear F1s on my car when delivered and found them surprisingly nice: good grip, quiet, compliant ride. Put PS4Ss on last year and while I'm happy with them, they are a tad noisier than the F1s with a slightly stiffer ride and no apparent difference in grip or handling. I know the Michelins are the "go to" tire and pretty much everyone raves about them...but I'm in the camp that thinks the F1s are an equivalent tire. Having had both, I would have just bought a set of F1 rears (my fronts were only partially worn) rather than a full set of Michelins.

Drew46

[QUOTE=Mikey K;19202177]
My bad. I misread your post and thought you had said you were sure they would not be an improvement.

Wilder

I've used Michelin exclusively for the past two decades. My car came with the F1s and was pleasantly surprised. Dare I say better than 4S? Excellent in the wet and dry and they don't seem to get greasy like the 4Ss can when pushed. Still don't know how they wear but unless performance drops off or noise suddenly goes up like with Pirellis, I might buy them again.

gthal

If you read current reviews and comparisons, many other brands have caught up to Michelin in terms of comfort, noise and performance. Michelin is still generally one of the top tires but the difference is not very big and many report the noise level and comfort on other tires is actually better now. I think some times people have a bad experience with a tire and that taints their views for ever. Although I also really like the 4S, my experience with the comparable tires from Continental and Pirelli is that they are virtually the same for street use. I'm quite happy with the Pirelli on the GTS and when they need to be replaced, I would only choose the 4S if the price was similar. If there is a price premium on the Michelin, there isn't a sufficient performance advantage any longer to justify this. My opinion on this was different 3 or 4 years ago but others have generally caught up.

IMO only, Michelin is still benefiting from a strong brand image and how much better the 4S was compared to everything else when it was released more so than the actual current reality. Put another way, if we held a test and put 3 new GTS' side by side with each fitted with Goodyear, Pirelli and a Michelin tire, I would bet good money 90% of the people on this forum could drive all 3 cars back to back and not be able to identify which tire was the Michelin and all 3 would get a roughly equal number of votes for best tire. The difference in the 3 would be very subtle IMO.

neil.schneider

I agree. I have seen extensive video reviews by expert tire people. The Goodyear tires are very competitive. Given the same price I would probably still take the Michelin. That said they are unavailable for TTS. I’ll just stay with what I have for now and cross that bridge when I get to it at some point in the future. Likely many years down the line.

Roadworrier

I run Goodyear F1's on my 992 T which came with the car. Ride and handling are fine, no more noise on concrete or grooved pavement than I had on my Boxster with Continental Extreme Contacts. Regarding Pirelli PZeros, I had them on that Boxster as OEM, and they were noisy much of the time and clumsy to turn even in 50-60 degree weather. The Contis were not. Maybe Pirellis are more track-focused than other summer performance tires, but I sense I'm not the only one who prefers other tires to Pirellis.

gthal

Some people do complain about the Pirelli but I'm not sure I see it myself. I get very little road noise out of the Pirelli. First set I've had on any car as everything before this was a Michelin (and one Conti). I was worried based on everything I read here about the Pirelli when I took delivery but they have been fantastic. Quiet, good ride, great grip and good wear thus far. Maybe they won't "age" well and will get noisy over time but at about 5,000 kms, they are great. I don't plan to replace them early as long as they continue to perform like they have. And if they age well, I'd only replace them for PS4 if the price was similar. I think the Pirelli's have evolved.

Wilder

You may want to check out this thread on F1s vs 4Ss: https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1350...-sport-4s.html

I'll also add that internet reviews of the F1s are substandard to the 4Ss but, and it's a big BUT, the reviews are not for N-spec tires. N-spec tires are significantly different from normal tires, at least in design and possibly compound. In short, there are no reliable reviews of the N-spec F1s. The thread linked above might be the most substantial.

Nein Eleven

I got front wheel hop with the PS4S at high steering angles (approaching lock) and low speeds on my SQ5 once the tread got to 4/32 or so. Granted, totally different vehicle type and non N-spec but they are not immune in my experience.

Nein Eleven

You echo a lot of my feelings about the Goodyears. As a point of reference, I’m down to almost 3/32” on the rears at 8500mi and 17.5mpg lifetime average (due to a lot of mountain driving) with no extreme drop off in performance nor increase in noise. Some RL posters are stating that their Goodyears last 16-18k miles but those guys are also getting over 23mpg, so driving style definitely plays a large role.

Wilder

Great feedback, thank you! I'm at 16mpg lifetime after 5k mi so I guess I'll be in the sub 10k mi camp. lol.

Spooling9A2

I am eagerly awaiting for the Michelin PS4S N-spec tires I ordered for my 991.2 C2. The factory P-Zero’s only have 7,000 miles on them and the rears are shot. While they perform well in hot weather, they drop off terribly in cool weather. Having had PS4S tires on other cars, I believe they are definitely an upgrade over the Pirelli’s.

aggie57

20,000 miles on P-Zero's and happy enough to continue with them. One thing I notice is that often people will compare worn tires with a new set which is not a straight comparison. New tires, even the same make and spec, will always be quieter and generally perform better than worn ones.