Nick Murray on the T: Less is More
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When I got my 992, I sent him my build along with a thank you for his "every option" videos - which were so damn helpful. I noted that I got the puddle light. His reply, my favorite part I have bolded is below...He cracks me up and no, he of all people does not take himself too seriously. That people get offended by his opinions probably makes his day because they are just that - his opinions.
Hey Doug
Congratulations my friend. That is indeed a very sharp combo with the seats, I just can not believe more people do not do that. Every other 911 will look dull next to yours.
I am shocked and horrified that you got the puddle lights but I am confident that just like everyone else I know that got them in time you will see the error of your ways and put electrical tape over them to hide your shame!!
Thank you for the support of my channel, all the best with your new car
Nick
Hey Doug
Congratulations my friend. That is indeed a very sharp combo with the seats, I just can not believe more people do not do that. Every other 911 will look dull next to yours.
I am shocked and horrified that you got the puddle lights but I am confident that just like everyone else I know that got them in time you will see the error of your ways and put electrical tape over them to hide your shame!!
Thank you for the support of my channel, all the best with your new car
Nick
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It really depends on what you're doing with your car. If you need full boost through gear shifts, then yeah, I guess. I think that's a bad priority to set with a carrera T. The car is not built for all out straight line performance. And most people don't drive it that way. What you should be thinking about is engagement with your car. Most of your acceleration is going to be half throttle and lazy shifting. Or you're gonna be in the canyons, cruising around and not shifting that much. Maybe going between second and third and definitely not full throttle. So keeping boost through shifts is a very very very low priority for me. PDK makes the car way less engaging, even though it's basically a perfect transmission.
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It really depends on what you're doing with your car. If you need full boost through gear shifts, then yeah, I guess. I think that's a bad priority to set with a carrera T. The car is not built for all out straight line performance. And most people don't drive it that way. What you should be thinking about is engagement with your car. Most of your acceleration is going to be half throttle and lazy shifting. Or you're gonna be in the canyons, cruising around and not shifting that much. Maybe going between second and third and definitely not full throttle. So keeping boost through shifts is a very very very low priority for me. PDK makes the car way less engaging, even though it's basically a perfect transmission.
I LOVE DCT/PDK manual and ONLY use the shifter because (1) I like to control shift points and (2) I like the shifting action and feeling the shifts in my right hand
With that stated, and to my knowledge, PDK in the T does not offer a shifter and you are forced to use the paddles
I would still get the PDK because, as you state, automatic mode is fantastic in these cars . . . just as with the ZF8 in the new ///M cars models
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I have zero intent to send this down the DCT/ PDK vs MT rabbit hole to nowhere . . .
I LOVE DCT/PDK manual and ONLY use the shifter because (1) I like to control shift points and (2) I like the shifting action and feeling the shifts in my right hand
With that stated, and to my knowledge, PDK in the T does not offer a shifter and you are forced to use the paddles
I would still get the PDK because, as you state, automatic mode is fantastic in these cars . . . just as with the ZF8 in the new ///M cars models
Avera
I LOVE DCT/PDK manual and ONLY use the shifter because (1) I like to control shift points and (2) I like the shifting action and feeling the shifts in my right hand
With that stated, and to my knowledge, PDK in the T does not offer a shifter and you are forced to use the paddles
I would still get the PDK because, as you state, automatic mode is fantastic in these cars . . . just as with the ZF8 in the new ///M cars models
Avera
That is correct. I spent last weekend driving a PDK car and the new shifter is way worse. Especially around town for the 1-2 shift making left turns and your hand has to come off the paddle. So you're stuck in first gear for a long time until you straighten the wheel out enough to grab the paddle again, at which point you're shifting at 5k rpm for no reason, or you short shift to second immediately after moving
Guess what else allows you to control your shift points and feel the shifter in your hand? 😂
You took it here not me. But if you need full boost between gears then PDK is your answer
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Most reviewers on the T: 'It's all you need.'
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
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Most reviewers on the T: 'It's all you need.'
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
Also the base engine has noticeably less turbo lag. Maybe not as much as the S58 but it's there. It really depends on what experience you're after. The GTS is a more competent track car and that's why the instructors would choose it. Seems like a pretty obvious choice there
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Two things on that. One is that the value proposition on the Carrera T is undeniable. GTS for 200k is 🤔
Also the base engine has noticeably less turbo lag. Maybe not as much as the S58 but it's there. It really depends on what experience you're after. The GTS is a more competent track car and that's why the instructors would choose it. Seems like a pretty obvious choice there
Also the base engine has noticeably less turbo lag. Maybe not as much as the S58 but it's there. It really depends on what experience you're after. The GTS is a more competent track car and that's why the instructors would choose it. Seems like a pretty obvious choice there
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I hear the turbo lag comments all the time, but haven't seen any actual (factual) data on that. I would need to see data on how fast the turbos spool up. Although they are different sizes, doesn't necessarily mean they spool up slower. Not all things are equal. So, to me, unless i see the data, it's pretty much subjective. I didn't feel turbo lag in the S/GTS vs a T. Maybe back to back on the same track I would. Not sure. Also, my GTS cost me 160K with options. I don't know about 200K. I do agree the T is more of a value proposition though.
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Two things on that. One is that the value proposition on the Carrera T is undeniable. GTS for 200k is 🤔
Also the base engine has noticeably less turbo lag. Maybe not as much as the S58 but it's there. It really depends on what experience you're after. The GTS is a more competent track car and that's why the instructors would choose it. Seems like a pretty obvious choice there
Also the base engine has noticeably less turbo lag. Maybe not as much as the S58 but it's there. It really depends on what experience you're after. The GTS is a more competent track car and that's why the instructors would choose it. Seems like a pretty obvious choice there
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Most reviewers on the T: 'It's all you need.'
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
Most reviewers on the GTS: 'It's the sweet spot'.
I had a 991.2T. Sure it was a lot of power, but I think once you drive an S or GTS, you realize it's even more fun and also manageable power. I drove them at the experience center and it was a blast. I also asked some of the instructors what they would choose, T or GTS, and they all answered 100% GTS. In the end I think I would have been totally happy with a 992 T, but I'm glad it didn't happen for me and the GTS allocation landed in my lap.
I'd be happy with any 992 in manual.
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I was really surprised to see that myself. The thing that caught me off guard the most is all the Aerokit equipped Ts. However I see GTS spec'd at 200k often. More often than 160k Carrera Ts. I'd be getting a used GT3 at that point even if it had to be a 991.2
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Just stop it.
Right now, today, an S is $6400 more than a T.
A GTS is $19600 more than an S.
But, there are a lot of other options rolled into that. My GTS with the same options as an S had something around $15k more in options that were standard or less expensive in the GTS. So, if you’re getting similar options anyway, the price delta is not that big. If not, then maybe not the right car for someone.
Again, don’t care what car people prefer, but let’s stick to facts.
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200k for a GTS. Yeah, with $50k in options.
Just stop it.
Right now, today, an S is $6400 more than a T.
A GTS is $19600 more than an S.
But, there are a lot of other options rolled into that. My GTS with the same options as an S had something around $15k more in options that were standard or less expensive in the GTS. So, if you’re getting similar options anyway, the price delta is not that big. If not, then maybe not the right car for someone.
Again, don’t care what car people prefer, but let’s stick to facts.
Just stop it.
Right now, today, an S is $6400 more than a T.
A GTS is $19600 more than an S.
But, there are a lot of other options rolled into that. My GTS with the same options as an S had something around $15k more in options that were standard or less expensive in the GTS. So, if you’re getting similar options anyway, the price delta is not that big. If not, then maybe not the right car for someone.
Again, don’t care what car people prefer, but let’s stick to facts.
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