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Old 06-02-2023 | 12:15 PM
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06-02-2023, 02:41 PM
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Nick Murray: "992 model X is rubbish." Rennlinst: "Grab the pitchforks we're coming for you!!!!"
Nick Murray: "992 T is excellent!" Rennlist: "This Nick Murray guy's a GENIUS!"
Old 06-02-2023 | 12:36 PM
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Well said, my thoughts exactly regarding the T. More than the sum of the parts, it is the most fun Carrera on public roads.
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Hmmmm....less then 400miles and all the way to redline.

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Old 06-02-2023 | 12:59 PM
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Hmmmm....less then 400miles and all the way to redline.
Looks like he's following the same break-in instructions that my dealer have me! 🤣🏎
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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:02 PM
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I've broken in multiple NA and turbocharged engines by using a lot of load and revs (methodically though, following a procedure) and my cars always burn less oil than whatever the average is reported by owners of that car.

Let the arguing commence
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Uh oh, another break-in discussion thread... please no!

But seriously, fantastic review. Thanks for posting, OP!
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Originally Posted by repcapale
Hmmmm....less then 400miles and all the way to redline.
question is: press car, dealer car, or a friend's car?
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Old 06-02-2023 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dudeoverthere
question is: press car, dealer car, or a friend's car?
From what it looks like at the end of the video, I think its a fellow owner's car.
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Nick Murray: "992 model X is rubbish." Rennlinst: "Grab the pitchforks we're coming for you!!!!"
Nick Murray: "992 T is excellent!" Rennlist: "This Nick Murray guy's a GENIUS!"
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To each their own but I always laugh at comments like "it's a parts bin special" or my favorite from a moron on this forum "it's a poor man's GTS".

What these people don't understand is that the T is not really a T. The original T was the replacement for the 912. It was the budget 911, stripped down and with a less powerful engine than the 911L, which was the equivalent of the current base at the time. What the current T is, is a Carrera Clubsport. Unfortunately, Porsche couldn't call it a Clubsport because when they wanted to reintroduce the model, BMW owned the rights to use it and denied Porsche use of the name. For anyone interested, go look up the specs for the 1987 Carrera Clubsport and you will find that the current T follows the exact same recipe, right down to unimportant things like the pinstriped seats. And what is the Carrera Clubsport? In the early 80's, Porsche had planned to replace the 911 with front engined cars like the 928 and the 944 (can you imagine?!?!). There was a change in leadership before this happened and the 911 stayed. Since Porsche hadn't put out an RS since 73, and with plans to introduce the 964 already in place, they decided to reintroduce the RS as a 964 variant and introduced the Carrera Clubsport in the meantime as an end of series model. The Carrera Clubsport is basically an RS with a Carrera engine. Things are different today and our beloved T doesn't have the double wishbone suspension or the the 6 speed manual transmission of the GT3 (equivalent of old RS) but it does have pretty much everything else. Whereas the old RS is more of a track car that can be street driven, the Clubsport is more of a street car that can be tracked. All 911 are track friendly but the Clubsport more so with it's lighter weight, better suspension bits, rear diff, and Porsche fairy dust that made the engine a bit more powerful and lively (this was never admitted by Porsche for the Carrera Clubsport or the current T, but it's now widely known about the Clubsport and there was a leak shared on this forum that the T also has some extra oomph above 5k. So, as per Porsche marketing, the T is the Carrera for purists and it's more engaging. Well, isn't that at the core of the brand? That would mean, it is indeed the most purebred and therefore, best Carrera 911. The older, more experienced car journalists get this. Not everybody does, and that makes it even better.

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Originally Posted by KenTO
Well said, my thoughts exactly regarding the T. More than the sum of the parts, it is the most fun Carrera on public roads.
Yes, it's more than the sum of its parts, but remember that the Carrera GTS is also a Carrera.
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"The base stereo is perfectly fine...." C'mon Nick, you are better than that. Fine for a 30K car but not for a 120K car. I realize that the Bose is not available but he should of called it like it is for those who listen to music.

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Just buy a manual 992 carrera s..... The 992 "t" loses it's appeal with having same body size as base/s/gts....
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Originally Posted by Staffie Guy
"The base stereo is perfectly fine...." C'mon Nick, you are better than that. Fine for a 30K car but not for a 120K car. I realize that the Bose is not available but he should of called it like it is for those who listen to music.
I’m in agreement with Nick here. As someone who spent way too much time worrying about the base radio, now that I have it on my T I agree it’s “fine” and definitely made me happy that I saved the $5600 on Burmester. I doubt I’d even get the Bose today if it weren’t talked up as a resale “must have”. It’s more than adequate for basic music listening which is good for me. Im not sure why Porsche would want to start with anything more unless they just want to juice up the base price of the car.

And yes, the car is expensive, but there are number of items not high-end on a 911 in the lowest trim (plastic dash, PTV, etc.) and those cost saving items are appealing to various segments.
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