Lots of info on 992.2 and future in CAR magazine
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john6l6 (06-20-2023)
05-26-2023, 01:47 PM
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I don't see larger than 3.0L happening when the largest Porsche market is China and tax goes up to 25% on engines larger than 3.0L.
And the current 3.0L turbo is a reliable engine for them that meets emissions requirements for the next decade plus. The logical step is add hybrid to the 3.0L.
And the current 3.0L turbo is a reliable engine for them that meets emissions requirements for the next decade plus. The logical step is add hybrid to the 3.0L.
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05-26-2023, 01:59 PM
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05-26-2023, 02:35 PM
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The article doesn't quantify a "huge increase", but I have doubts that Porsche actually wants to sell significantly more 911s. The current production volume of the 911 works quite nicely for Porsche's bottom line. Who knows what a 10%, 20% or 50% increase in cars built does to their pricing power, especially over an entire model cycle.
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05-26-2023, 02:39 PM
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Well, as long as they are willing to accept that they are losing customers. Few except the faithful would wait 1+ year for an allocation. If they don't produce more cars, they are losing customers to other brands. OK sure, they are still selling every car they make right now, but they still losing customers. Most of the pricing power right now gets put in the dealers pockets, not in Porsche's.
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05-26-2023, 02:40 PM
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Have you ever actually driven a decent EV? All this talk about EV’s being the same is frankly nonsense; done well the Cayman/Boxster EV should be an awesome car and make the outgoing model - and likely our 911s - feel plain old. I’m really looking forward to what they come up with.
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05-26-2023, 02:40 PM
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The point is that they all feel the same - because they all basically have the same chassis dynamics. Battery sled along the bottom, electric motors, overweight. Sure the 718 EV may be fine - but what's stopping Toyota or Hyundai or Tesla from building a basically identical sports car (from a chassis/drive perspective) at a much lower price? Nothing. The uniqueness is gone, all you are paying for is the brand name now.
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05-26-2023, 02:44 PM
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The ADMs don't help Porsche - in fact, one could argue they hurt the sales of other models. If I get fleeced for a $15K markup on a 911, no way I am buying a Cayenne. Screw me once, ok. They won't get two bites at my apple.
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05-26-2023, 02:55 PM
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True. Places like LA, Atlanta etc. I see a 911 every 2.5 mins. I live in Ohio and only see them occasionally. Maybe 1-2/week if you don't count cars and coffee events. It's not a normal car here, probably because you only need like 2mil to be in the top 1%. Generally speaking, We're broke in corn country compared to the coast(s). Surprisingly (or not), that fact doesn't stop people from acting like they have money..
05-26-2023, 03:21 PM
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The point is that they all feel the same - because they all basically have the same chassis dynamics. Battery sled along the bottom, electric motors, overweight. Sure the 718 EV may be fine - but what's stopping Toyota or Hyundai or Tesla from building a basically identical sports car (from a chassis/drive perspective) at a much lower price? Nothing. The uniqueness is gone, all you are paying for is the brand name now.
A Tesla Model S drives nothing like a Taycan. Nothing.
A Kia EV6 GT is a better driving car, dynamically, than 70% of ICE cars, which means its better dynamically than about 95% EV's.
A Prius will basically drive like a golf cart with doors, but to think all EV's all have the same chassis dynamics is 2010 thinking. We're now in 2023, and counting.
05-26-2023, 03:34 PM
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911 and Teslas are neck and neck as being as ubiquitous as cotton candy at the county fair.
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Booth9999 (05-27-2023)
05-26-2023, 03:58 PM
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I don’t disagree. Porsche is incentivized to raise prices though to soak up that ADM and reduce dealer profits.
05-26-2023, 05:05 PM
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57,000 911 models is still a tiny amount vs C8 Corvette, 101,572 in 2023, 600,000 Camry, 1.8 million Tesla, 3447 Ferraris for perspective.
Sports cars now account for 1.5% of the total US car market with just over 221,000 deliveries, of which 73.1% were one of the four American muscle cars Mustang, Challenger, Camaro and Corvette, up from 71.5%.
Sports cars now account for 1.5% of the total US car market with just over 221,000 deliveries, of which 73.1% were one of the four American muscle cars Mustang, Challenger, Camaro and Corvette, up from 71.5%.
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05-26-2023, 05:29 PM
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