Next round of allocations? Jan/Feb
#32
Many, many people. Tons of posts on this.
#33
i) See if you like the watch and need one, that's a nice way to spend $5K
ii) trade-in without watch
iii) negotiate to exactly what YOU want i.e. if you dont need the T right now and content with what you have, say no. Alternatively propose what you want.
#34
One day I hope to be able to send a post like yours. Sadly, I am just a lowly person with a demand order for a Targa 4S placed in November 2021. I am still #2 on "the list" and my dealer suggests that I should have an allocation this spring. That sounds like May 2023. We'll see. By the way, this will be my first Porsche, I have nothing to trade but would be willing to pay for some required add ons (but not a watch!).
#35
I assume the size/volume of the dealer makes a difference. I’m #2 as well at smaller dealership since last March. I got on another smaller dealerships list as #2 last week. I highly doubt either will get 2 of any trim in any quarter. At a larger dealer the lists are so much larger.
Porsche USA is giving preference to volume dealers and they don't look at the lists to place cars.
Reasoning: TWO C4 coupes are available in SoCal (Irvine and South Bay). Each car is built and is unsold. It seems they were locked in Nov/Dec 2022. I've been on a list with smaller east coast dealer since Jan 2022. If Porsche gave a crap about the lists and people, one of the cars would've gone to a spot on a list. Instead it goes to the dealer for general sale.
Last edited by Shambler; 02-11-2023 at 10:12 AM. Reason: corrected dealer name
#36
Thanks for confirming. So essentially buying the car with a $5k markup lol. I really don’t need another watch, my wife and I have several Rolex’s we gifted each other last year - for our anniversary and Christmas. But I still went on the website and the watch I would buy is out of stock like many others on their website. I’m guessing you place an order and just wait until it’s back in stock? Similar to waiting for the factory to build the car the customer orders 😂
I’ll call the dealer and get clarification on the watch order. I’m guessing I would show them the order and they lock my allocation in?
Thanks again for all the feedback on this!
I’ll call the dealer and get clarification on the watch order. I’m guessing I would show them the order and they lock my allocation in?
Thanks again for all the feedback on this!
#37
Thanks for confirming. So essentially buying the car with a $5k markup lol. I really don’t need another watch, my wife and I have several Rolex’s we gifted each other last year - for our anniversary and Christmas. But I still went on the website and the watch I would buy is out of stock like many others on their website. I’m guessing you place an order and just wait until it’s back in stock? Similar to waiting for the factory to build the car the customer orders 😂
I’ll call the dealer and get clarification on the watch order. I’m guessing I would show them the order and they lock my allocation in?
Thanks again for all the feedback on this!
I’ll call the dealer and get clarification on the watch order. I’m guessing I would show them the order and they lock my allocation in?
Thanks again for all the feedback on this!
#39
I'm sure Porsche AG is pushing dealers to sell more watches. Before, they were pushing dealers to sell more European Delivery, and now all spots are booked. Allocations are the best sales incentives they have.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
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#41
I'm sure Porsche AG is pushing dealers to sell more watches. Before, they were pushing dealers to sell more European Delivery, and now all spots are booked. Allocations are the best sales incentives they have.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
^^^This is spot on..
#42
I'm sure Porsche AG is pushing dealers to sell more watches. Before, they were pushing dealers to sell more European Delivery, and now all spots are booked. Allocations are the best sales incentives they have.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
#43
I'm sure Porsche AG is pushing dealers to sell more watches. Before, they were pushing dealers to sell more European Delivery, and now all spots are booked. Allocations are the best sales incentives they have.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
If you want the car without a watch, try to negotiate something that may have more value to you, but still increases dealership margins.
Wheel/tire protection. Let them arrange financing if you were planning to finance. Extended warranty. Dealer preferred PPF vendor. Agree to minimum option build on your car. Prepaid annual service plan.
All the dealer is looking to do is maximize margin, satisfy PAG goals, while maintain the appearance of a MSRP dealer. Most of those options above probably help them and might be aligned with something you would want already.
The watches are high margin, and relatively high priced which is why they are pushing them...they probably have a 50% markup at the dealer.
#44
Dealer margins on specced options are higher than the margin on the base car itself. I just meant, agree to something like $35k in options if getting an allocation at MSRP, but only if you value those options.
I agree the watches are very high margin, and PAG either has sales goals or incentives tied to dealers selling them.
A $5k watch probably is $2500-$3000 profit to the dealer (plus makes Porsche AG happy)
My point is if a customer offers is willing to buy enough add-ons that generates similar or more excess profit for the dealer, most dealers would entertain that.
Going back to car options, I believe most are 15% margin to the dealer, so agreeing to a spec that is $20k higher than an average Carrera T build should make the dealer happy, but some combination of the ideas I provided above should work.
I'm also talking in general terms about how a dealer would think about it. Some dealers have more rigid policies than others.
I agree the watches are very high margin, and PAG either has sales goals or incentives tied to dealers selling them.
A $5k watch probably is $2500-$3000 profit to the dealer (plus makes Porsche AG happy)
My point is if a customer offers is willing to buy enough add-ons that generates similar or more excess profit for the dealer, most dealers would entertain that.
Going back to car options, I believe most are 15% margin to the dealer, so agreeing to a spec that is $20k higher than an average Carrera T build should make the dealer happy, but some combination of the ideas I provided above should work.
I'm also talking in general terms about how a dealer would think about it. Some dealers have more rigid policies than others.
#45