Nick Murray Compares the C8 to 911
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Smirnoff67 (11-18-2022)
#47
I took my Audi S4 to ~115mph once. Visions of being thrown in jail flashed in my head as a backed off of the accelerator.
ED is the one chance that most of us in the US get to legally drive at speeds that are unthinkable. If I take my 911 on the autobahn and get to 140-150, I’ll make sure the GoPro captures it and save the memory forever. Anything above that are speeds I’m not willing to consider….for now
ED is the one chance that most of us in the US get to legally drive at speeds that are unthinkable. If I take my 911 on the autobahn and get to 140-150, I’ll make sure the GoPro captures it and save the memory forever. Anything above that are speeds I’m not willing to consider….for now
Speaking to a Munchener on a flight home recently, he said you have to drive at night to find clear roads. Doing 150mph at night is not my thing.
#48
I don't agree with Nick on a lot of Porsche related issues but I am not certain why fully functioning adults love bashing him when he expresses an opinion that goes against theirs. 🤷
The Porsche community would be a quite dreary place 💤💤💤 if we all agreed with each other and there would be no dissent. He has changed my opinion on a lot of issues (biggest I can think of is Alcantara)!
I love the fact that the C8 & other variants exist! I wish it would fit my lifestyle but it has no rear seats! I am jealous & thankful of the value they provide. Without the competition I am sure Porsche would charge yet even more 💸💸💸💸💸 than they already do!
The Porsche community would be a quite dreary place 💤💤💤 if we all agreed with each other and there would be no dissent. He has changed my opinion on a lot of issues (biggest I can think of is Alcantara)!
I love the fact that the C8 & other variants exist! I wish it would fit my lifestyle but it has no rear seats! I am jealous & thankful of the value they provide. Without the competition I am sure Porsche would charge yet even more 💸💸💸💸💸 than they already do!
But as an auto enthusiast, this the fact that GM copied a Ferrari and pretty much nailed it should be celebrated. If you don’t like knock offs and prefer the real deal, totally understand that but that is a very expensive proposition which most can’t attain. Having the performance at a fraction of the cost available to a wider audience is a good thing for humanity.
BTW, I also bought the gas cap.
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SBAD (11-24-2022)
#50
I had never considered buying a Corvette in my 40+ year lifetime. The interior quality and general front engine rear drive limitations kept me from it.
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
Last edited by bhvrdr; 11-19-2022 at 09:44 PM.
#51
I took my Audi S4 to ~115mph once. Visions of being thrown in jail flashed in my head as a backed off of the accelerator.
ED is the one chance that most of us in the US get to legally drive at speeds that are unthinkable. If I take my 911 on the autobahn and get to 140-150, I’ll make sure the GoPro captures it and save the memory forever. Anything above that are speeds I’m not willing to consider….for now
ED is the one chance that most of us in the US get to legally drive at speeds that are unthinkable. If I take my 911 on the autobahn and get to 140-150, I’ll make sure the GoPro captures it and save the memory forever. Anything above that are speeds I’m not willing to consider….for now
Up here in Chicagoland suburb highways, I see these jackals ***-houses going 110-120 mph routinely in cars that approach instability at those speeds. Chevy Malibus and the like. It's the f* Wild West up here.
Hence the need for the vaunted Turbo S.
#53
I had never considered buying a Corvette in my 40+ year lifetime. The interior quality and general front engine rear drive limitations kept me from it.
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis thst can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playschool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis thst can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playschool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
I enjoyed your description. You make me wish I could wrap my head around owning one.
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#54
I had never considered buying a Corvette in my 40+ year lifetime. The interior quality and general front engine rear drive limitations kept me from it.
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
It was bright yellow, had a 7.0L V8, a six speed manual and was a hard to find model at the time. I didn’t really want the car but my friend said “ everyone should own a Corvette at least once before they die” and I couldn’t refute his logic. I bought the car in March, drove it all Summer and sold it for a $5K profit that Fall. It was the first car in a long time that made me smile while I was behind the wheel. It was a 3100 lbs. with a 505 HP 427 and the handling was far better than I had expected. That said, the interior was crap, the seats inadequate and the run flat tires were terrible.
In 2020, my 75 year old father in law ordered a new C8 Stingray and I helped him pick it up at the Bowling Green Factory Museum. After 500 or so miles behind the wheel, it occurred to me that this $75K Coupe did some things as well as my 2018 GT3 and a few things even better. The only flaw I could find was a lack of steering feel compared to the feedback of the excellent electric steering on my 991.2. Otherwise, I was so impressed that I called a Chevrolet Dealer that week and asked to be put on his list for the next Z06.
That was more than two years ago and thanks to supply chain challenges I’m still a year from getting my car. When it arrives, it will be a mid-mounted 670 HP, 5.5L Flat Plane DOHC with an 8 Speed DCT and World Class handling for less than $150K. My Dealer is holding more than 4,000 customer deposits and the car will likely be out of production before his 3000th customer is served. Who would have ever thought ten years ago that buying a Chevrolet and a Ferrari would be such a similar experience?
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minn19 (11-19-2022)
#56
I had never considered buying a Corvette in my 40+ year lifetime. The interior quality and general front engine rear drive limitations kept me from it.
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
Ive owned 5 porsches, 12 Audis, 4 bmws and 40 or so other random cars.
When the c8 was introduced it really peaked my attention. GM had wanted the last generation car to be this one but the engineers never could get the green light. The engineers said they had reached the limits of the front engine rear wheel drive platform. The last generation zr1 super Corvette was no faster to 60mph than the z06 because it was severely traction limited.
The c8 changed all that. The 500hp stingray is sitting on a chassis that can handle 1000hp and still be usable.
Since 2020 ive purchased 3 c8 Corvettes now. I still have several German and Italian cars.
The c8 is a no excuses car imo. I honestly cannot find fault in the interior quality anymore. I can see not liking the design language (i didn't at first but once living with it the ergonomics are incredible. I actually reach out less than in my 911 for settings). There aren't cheap playskool looking plastics anywhere anymore.
The actual track performance is absolutely outstanding. I did a two day racing school in one and the car has outstanding limits and handling characteristics and the gm magnetic ride control that is licensed by Ferrari because of how good it is simply cannot be compared to PASM. Not that the Porsche has bad handling by any means but the actual shock control on mag ride vs pasm is another playing field.
I have zero thoughts that the stingray is "better" or "worse" than my pcar. Its different. Both have outstanding characteristics that shine imo. The pcar is magic in its handling. The chassis is so mature that cornering is at least as enjoyable as the c8. The straight line stability is better in the c8 imo. They both sound so different and so awesome at full song i like both equally. The idea the c8 has a pushrod v8 in it from Chevy means if i blow one on the track some day there will likely be 5 thousand dollar used ones i can put in whereas it was 25k on the pcar. The pcar has other worldly visibility and driving position imo. It shrinks around you. The c8, like a supercar, does not. Theyre just different imo but i have to say im proud of gm for producing a performance car that for the fist time in my life has been an American car that i really wanted to buy (outside perhaps a new ford gt (gt40).
May I ask why?
Seems like a lot in a 3 year time span.
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SBAD (11-24-2022)
#57
yes i more or less got on one list after another knowing i could drive the car for a bit and see if i really liked the color and options and still sell it and pocket some money. Im pretty happy with the options i have now although Im not usually a cheesy sticker guy but they do add value and i e gotten to kind of dig them
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#59
I am a Porsche guy and have owned many different models, Cayenne, Cayman, Taycan, Macan and 30 911's of various flavors. I am also a Corvette guy and have owned around a dozen different Corvette's, but the difference is I would never own any other GM product as they are all crap.
#60
A few years ago I drove by the pre launch party hosted at a large dealership . I stopped in to look at the cars , talked with a few repeat corvette buyers , and was more welcomed than a few of the replies I read on the thread , I found the car interesting but wish it was the V8 mid engine PDK that Porsche could have built . I did learn a lot about the car and its design that Nick had not shared .
Fast forward to present the Z06 is a beast . I started looking at 1/4 times and quickly saw that. young woman named Emelia Hartford broke all the records . Shes young, talks fast , and brings a lot of enthusiasm to breaking those records . Since she is lighter and can drive it makes sense that beat the chevy drivers (mostly men) who weigh more in the same car .
Here she is in the Z06 . Car sounds great !!
Fast forward to present the Z06 is a beast . I started looking at 1/4 times and quickly saw that. young woman named Emelia Hartford broke all the records . Shes young, talks fast , and brings a lot of enthusiasm to breaking those records . Since she is lighter and can drive it makes sense that beat the chevy drivers (mostly men) who weigh more in the same car .
Here she is in the Z06 . Car sounds great !!
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