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Old 01-09-2022, 10:05 PM
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My 2021 992 C4S's rear brake pads have worn out (4mm depth remaining) after a few track days (I drove pretty hard).

Are there better aftermarket brake pads that I should replace them with? It needs to be suitable for both daily driving and occasional track use.

Any recommendation for auto shops near nyc for the brake pad change?
Gotten a quote of $750 for OEM brake pads+sensors (~$373) + labor cost, is that reasonable?
I live in Manhattan and don't have a private garage to change myself.
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Pagids are a classical option. I used them in the past, better bite but noisy. They're ok up to half life.
Currently I'm using Ferodo DS1.11 during the summer and 2500 during the winter. The latter is phenomenal, might not be as hardcore as the 1.11 or 13, but the cold or warm bite is great and is very quite.

The OEM pads are trash for track. Bare in mind if you change pads often, you may need to install a stud to avoid stripping the caliper screw thread.

Also note that the rear pads are likely being worn by the PSM, as most of the braking is done by the front.
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Originally Posted by John Mclane
Pagids are a classical option. I used them in the past, better bite but noisy. They're ok up to half life.
Currently I'm using Ferodo DS1.11 during the summer and 2500 during the winter. The latter is phenomenal, might not be as hardcore as the 1.11 or 13, but the cold or warm bite is great and is very quite.

The OEM pads are trash for track. Bare in mind if you change pads often, you may need to install a stud to avoid stripping the caliper screw thread.

Also note that the rear pads are likely being worn by the PSM, as most of the braking is done by the front.
Agreed. Pagid makes terrific pads, but they are incredibly noisy.

For track work, they are awesome! For regular commuting, it’ll take a special person to take all of that noise
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Any that are lower dust?
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Originally Posted by John Mclane
Pagids are a classical option. I used them in the past, better bite but noisy. They're ok up to half life.
Currently I'm using Ferodo DS1.11 during the summer and 2500 during the winter. The latter is phenomenal, might not be as hardcore as the 1.11 or 13, but the cold or warm bite is great and is very quite.

The OEM pads are trash for track. Bare in mind if you change pads often, you may need to install a stud to avoid stripping the caliper screw thread.

Also note that the rear pads are likely being worn by the PSM, as most of the braking is done by the front.
The rear brake pads on 992 wear out very fast because of the PTV+ (the Porsche Torque Vectoring system), not the PSM. You can not turn off the PTV, unlike the PSM. Even when You have turned off the PSM completely, the PTV will still work. What PTV does is it applies each of the four brakes selectively (sometimes even when not braking), attempting to correct a perceived instability.
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Originally Posted by riwu
My 2021 992 C4S's rear brake pads have worn out (4mm depth remaining) after a few track days (I drove pretty hard).

Are there better aftermarket brake pads that I should replace them with? It needs to be suitable for both daily driving and occasional track use.

Any recommendation for auto shops near nyc for the brake pad change?
Gotten a quote of $750 for OEM brake pads+sensors (~$373) + labor cost, is that reasonable?
I live in Manhattan and don't have a private garage to change myself.
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Unfortunately, no pad can fully satisfy the requirements for both street and track duty. Here’s a chart showing brake pad friction vs temp for several compound options.

I really like Ferodo DS3.12 as they are fantastic on the track, and seem to be a bit quieter than DS1.11 on the street. However, they do make noise and not a good option for only occasional track duty with no access to a garage. For your use I’d recommend Ferodo DS2500. I used these when I first started tracking, great on the street, okay on the track for beginner levels.


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excellent, nuanced answer, RRich.

AP racing guys at Essex also like Ferodo pads.
Higher temperature performance appears to accompany increased brake dust unfortunately.

FYI for OP, here is another thread on the subject of pads.
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...natives-2.html
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Originally Posted by RRich
Unfortunately, no pad can fully satisfy the requirements for both street and track duty. Here’s a chart showing brake pad friction vs temp for several compound options.

I really like Ferodo DS3.12 as they are fantastic on the track, and seem to be a bit quieter than DS1.11 on the street. However, they do make noise and not a good option for only occasional track duty with no access to a garage. For your use I’d recommend Ferodo DS2500. I used these when I first started tracking, great on the street, okay on the track for beginner levels.
Would the Ferodo DS2500 last significantly longer than the stock pads too (assuming regular street use and 10 track days/year)?

Would it also be correct to say that the OEM stock pads are in fact the best pads for street driving?
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Originally Posted by riwu
Would the Ferodo DS2500 last significantly longer than the stock pads too (assuming regular street use and 10 track days/year)?

Would it also be correct to say that the OEM stock pads are in fact the best pads for street driving?
I think the 2500 is better than OEM for daily driving, at least on my case (BBK)
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I think the DS2500 would be better than OEM pads, but track use would probably wear them pretty fast. They’ll certainly not last long at 10 day/yr. I never ran stock pads at the track. After PECLA is knew I needed to change pads before heading to the track.

You’re going to have to experiment and see what works best for your situation. Since you won’t be tracking anytime soon start with DS2500, if those wear out too fast for you, try a track pad for the summer and see if you can live with the noise, also don’t forget to change your brake fluid. There are many options, I use Castrol SRF.

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accidentally posted twice, disregard.
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Do the 991.1 GTS pads fit the 992 CS? I doubt it, but darn, I have 2 extra sets.
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Originally Posted by RRich
I really like Ferodo DS3.12 as they are fantastic on the track, and seem to be a bit quieter than DS1.11 on the street. However, they do make noise and not a good option for only occasional track duty with no access to a garage. For your use I’d recommend Ferodo DS2500. I used these when I first started tracking, great on the street, okay on the track for beginner levels.
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I think the 2500 is better than OEM for daily driving, at least on my case (BBK)
Any recommendations on where I should order the DS2500 from NY? Is Essexparts the best option?
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Originally Posted by riwu
Any recommendations on where I should order the DS2500 from NY? Is Essexparts the best option?
Jeff at Essex is a great source of knowledge. I had a great experience with them and their prices are competitive.
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