Fear of being a Luddite
11-28-2021, 03:08 PM
#16
Thankfully we can still order 911’s without the murse minders and such.
11-28-2021, 03:17 PM
#17
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
It's all relative.
Today's standard feature was yesterday's new technology.
ABS was once "new tech" but nowadays it's standard and almost an afterthought.
Same with things like power steering (not hydraulic steering, but power steering), or traction control, or even something as basic as limited slip differentials. Or heck, even airbags and crumple zones.
Point is today's new tech, will be tomorrow's standard feature.
It's all relative.
Don't overthink it.
Today's standard feature was yesterday's new technology.
ABS was once "new tech" but nowadays it's standard and almost an afterthought.
Same with things like power steering (not hydraulic steering, but power steering), or traction control, or even something as basic as limited slip differentials. Or heck, even airbags and crumple zones.
Point is today's new tech, will be tomorrow's standard feature.
It's all relative.
Don't overthink it.
11-28-2021, 04:19 PM
#18
There’s no reason to ever drive TC+ESC off on a public road. But the 911 let’s you make your own choices. Want a ***** cat on your commute home after a bad day ? Easy peasy. Want a hellion to go nuts on a beautiful lonely stretch of road in uhhh … Mexico ? It’ll do that too.
The base Carrera is a fantastic car. It really doesn’t get enough respect. Maybe it’s not the right car for you, but with the right tires it’s only a pinch slower than a gt3.
The base Carrera is a fantastic car. It really doesn’t get enough respect. Maybe it’s not the right car for you, but with the right tires it’s only a pinch slower than a gt3.
11-28-2021, 04:26 PM
#19
Rennlist Member
Who are either of you to tell us what we should or should not have in OUR 911? You can spec it anyway you want. You can ridicule at your heart's desire. But you can't tell me how best to enjoy MY 911. Unless, of course, you're writing the check. I will then gladly take your views into consideration.
Last edited by jnkirk1974; 11-28-2021 at 04:29 PM.
11-28-2021, 04:30 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
While I tend to agree with you, not sure how much extra weight most of the software/sensor based technology adds to the overall weight of the car? Certainly FAR less than those who option for a glass sunroof (30-40lbs of extra weight at the highest party of the car), or the extended gas tank (each extra gallon of gas adds 6.1 pounds), etc.
People are gonna get the options they want, and, I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Porsche owners don’t track their cars with any kind of regularity…so an extra 50+ pounds is meaningless.
People are gonna get the options they want, and, I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Porsche owners don’t track their cars with any kind of regularity…so an extra 50+ pounds is meaningless.
Last edited by jnkirk1974; 11-28-2021 at 04:38 PM.
11-28-2021, 04:46 PM
#21
The weight argument that gets chucked about is a non issue. You add more weight to your car after a big meal than any of the tech aids.
11-28-2021, 05:25 PM
#22
It seems that a lot of people here are very opinionated as to what people drive or spec their car or even how they should drive their cars. As Go Bruins said we all pay for these cars with our own money so however we spec them, however we drive them or even how often and how much we drive them is completely up to the individual. As another person posted probably the majority of 911's will never see a track let alone be driven on one. I am certainly prepared to admit that the car is far more capable than my driving abilities I would wager that a fair number of people that drive their cars hard are quite often driving beyond their abilities too, but ego will not allow them to admit it.
The following users liked this post:
Go Bruins (11-28-2021)
11-28-2021, 05:52 PM
#24
Pro
Porsche's shareholders demand that the company sell more cars by offering optional features to appeal to as many buyers as they can, just like their competition--it's the best and smartest business plan. They're not interested in keeping the 911 as a "purist" car only just to satisfy those of you that think they should. What do you want them to do, go broke? Get over it.
The following users liked this post:
phila12180 (11-28-2021)
11-28-2021, 06:01 PM
#25
I don’t disagree with the “big meal” comment. But have 2 buds that track and also race their 911 Cup cars…and they worry about every ounce of weight on their cars. And yes, I realize that’s a different level. But the point being, if someone can shed pounds from their 992, even if it has zero impact at the track, it gives them a psychological edge - real, or imaginary. I own a technology laden 992, so I am the last person to believe it makes a hill of beans on the track.
The following users liked this post:
dhirm5 (11-28-2021)
11-28-2021, 09:42 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
Porsche is an option company that sells cars, not a car company that offers options. More power (and more options) to 'em. Features like auto-parking are just additional software, working in conjunction with camera hardware and screens that are already mandated by law. I guess you have to take a small weight penalty for the side and front cameras, but it's utterly ignorable.
Along the same lines, Porsche is a progressive engineering-driven company that also runs a museum, not the other way around. The first car to bear the name was an advanced hybrid. Don't appreciate advanced engineering that admittedly sometimes goes a little too far into Rube Goldberg territory? There are other marques. Still want a Porsche, but don't want the extra toys? Don't check the box on the configurator. Problem solved.
Along the same lines, Porsche is a progressive engineering-driven company that also runs a museum, not the other way around. The first car to bear the name was an advanced hybrid. Don't appreciate advanced engineering that admittedly sometimes goes a little too far into Rube Goldberg territory? There are other marques. Still want a Porsche, but don't want the extra toys? Don't check the box on the configurator. Problem solved.
11-29-2021, 12:03 AM
#27
11-29-2021, 01:00 AM
#28
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
11-29-2021, 01:12 AM
#29
Rennlist Member
Nannies suck
11-29-2021, 02:22 AM
#30
Rennlist Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Newport Beach, CA and Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4,255
Received 2,812 Likes
on
1,486 Posts
A modern 911 will still bite when pushed too hard. You’ll just be going much faster.