CodyBigdog

Link that validates production numbers?

smiles11

FIFY

shrimp money

Thank you for the correction, my error.

edit: after looking for hard numbers, seems everything on the internet is useless

A 2017 911 GTS does it in 7:24.

Are there two different configurations for the track? I’m seeing 20.6km and 20.8km.

shrimp money

https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...l#post17762170

Also, his post directly below, #23.

CodyBigdog

US sales figures for all the various models of 911’s sold in 2017 and 2018, indicate significantly more C2/4 and C2/4S were sold, when compared to all the GTS variants. Whether that will hold true for the 992 models, remains to be seen? But my point is - I think historically, sales numbers for the GTS are lower….which, given the higher cost, might be expected.

CodyBigdog

I asked for a link that shows production numbers?

aggie57

thats true but we’re in a different market now, Porsche like most manufacturers is juggling component supplies in ways they haven’t had to in decades.

CodyBigdog

I thought this guy might have some inside data on actual production numbers. Guess not? That’s all I was looking for.

But here’s a question - Are production quotas, for specific models, based on consumer demand, or on what Porsche decides it wants to produce? Clearly, Porsche will make more profit by selling the GTS, over less expensive 992’s, so as long as demand remains high, logically, it makes more sense to sell GTS variants. But I wonder…do the majority of 911 buyers care about cost? Are quota allotments set by customer demand, or by manufacturer “mandate”? Maybe a little bit of both? It’s kind of an interesting question.

aggie57

Yeah, same here. Numbers that is. Product planning though isn’t something I’m that familiar with.

shrimp money

For 2022MY? Who knows, that’s a floating figure until 2023.

hawkinsmc

Yes there are 2 Timing options 20.8 or 20.6. 20.6 historically is the more common method and I think the shorter distance is used so you can cut into the pits without having to make another full lap. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. This was recorded for the GT3: "Kern ended up quickest with a 6:59.927 run of the full circuit. Using the old lap-timing methodology, which shortens the lap length by ending the run a few hundred yards shy of the starting line, Kern's lap was a 6:55.2"

I assume that 7:25 was the 20.8km based on this quote from Car Throttle since they referenced the GT3's 6:59 time which was the 20.8 track: "Its 7:25.632 Nurburgring lap lags behind the GT3’s 6:59.927, but Lars Kern, who was behind the wheel for both efforts, reckons a more concerted effort with the GTS (including some tweaks and better tyres) would yield a circa-7:10." That would make more sense considering the 991.2 GTS did 20.6km in 7:23.77 (but I believe a big part of that was because it was on Corsa tires). Therefore, you can speculate the 20.6 time may be about 4 sec faster for the purposes of comparing to most older 911 times, since most are recorded on the 20.6 track. I'm just guessing though.

3rdpedal

Even then I'm not sure. GTS has 'special' interior but unless you want the buckets and pay for them, to me it's a mixed bag (I guess you can get red stitching without optioning it...). GTS seriously lacks in wheel options unless you like the center locks. HP bump is available in a tune and beyond. So then it is some chassis, brakes, and possibly suspension refinements. As well as a louder cabin. Not sure why that is good.

Two things he doesn't address in the video.

1. Is the C2S equipped with PSE and does the PSE sound different (for any reason other than the lack of sound deadening material).
2. Does the C2S have PASM Sport and how does a GTS compare to a C2S with PASM Sport.

Maybe I'm one of the ones, but I just don't see the value in the GTS compared to a C2S, given the options restrictions.

redwolfgts

im beginning to think the gts might not be for me,who cares about lap times if its as stiff as a board and not able to be a proper grand turismo car where you can do 3/400 mile at a time without needing surgery after.
porsche had the first test drives of the gts with journalists on super smooth roads,now that is the first road test on normal roads, and the suspension settings look why too stiff for a road car.
as 3rd pedal says maybe the normal pasm might make the gts more usable

TheStanman

Yes the main springs are stiffer. Ya I think it's mostly the latter - to help maintain contact patch on really rough roads. S with S-PASM struggled enough on the bad roads around me. Can't imagine with even stiffer springs.

CodyBigdog

Based on what I read on Rennlist, of all sources 😱, the US release date was April of 2021. No idea if this came true, but even if early Summer, there would be one or two quarterly sales figures. Clearly a complete year of sales figures will tell if the GTS outsells the other variants of the 992, but historically, it’s not even close, ie, the GTS is a lower volume car. If that turn out to be true (?), then the question I am asking is - Is that because Porsche has restricted volume (allocations) or because customer demand is not as strong? I do realize that Porsche Universe is unlike any other, where cost is not always the determining factor for Porsche buyers.