Anyone know when Q4 allocations come out?
#16
Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
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#17
Again, the more I hear this, the more I know I'm right. You familiar with "Moneyball"? Same principle - group-think is a bad, bad problem that can be solved with data. If no one is willing to look at the data and "hey everyone says it, so it must be true" then you are in a bad spot and a weak-minded thinker (yes, that means you).
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Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
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#18
Again, the more I hear this, the more I know I'm right. You familiar with "Moneyball"? Same principle - group-think is a bad, bad problem that can be solved with data. If no one is willing to look at the data and "hey everyone says it, so it must be true" then you are in a bad spot and a weak-minded thinker (yes, that means you).
Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
#19
Exactly, a 911 Turbo S is a Carrera 4 base built up with a ton of high profit options.
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#20
Back to OP, I am hopeful its next week....It does seem to be somewhat dealer dependent on who gets their allocation when. Not going to state its "size" based but when Ive read on previous threads that someone just confirmed an allocation that was released to their dealer, Ive called the 2 local dealers Ive got small deposits (placed in May) with and they never seem to have allocations. Then I follow-up maybe in a week/10 days after and they say "oh, systems were updated and we were given X."
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
#21
Back to OP, I am hopeful its next week....It does seem to be somewhat dealer dependent on who gets their allocation when. Not going to state its "size" based but when Ive read on previous threads that someone just confirmed an allocation that was released to their dealer, Ive called the 2 local dealers Ive got small deposits (placed in May) with and they never seem to have allocations. Then I follow-up maybe in a week/10 days after and they say "oh, systems were updated and we were given X."
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
I was told my prior ownership history (as well as my local proximity to the dealer) played a role in getting my allocation.
Of course, there are other factors that play a role in this. Dealership performance and capital investment, politics, maybe some quid pro quo and dumb luck.
#22
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car...rofitable-car/
Adding more fuel to the fire - nothing definitive but I imagine the bean counters know the likely demand for each model.
A single GT3 may produce more margin than a single base Carrera but the quantity sold is a function of market demand.
Optimizing total profit is balancing these factors.
Adding more fuel to the fire - nothing definitive but I imagine the bean counters know the likely demand for each model.
A single GT3 may produce more margin than a single base Carrera but the quantity sold is a function of market demand.
Optimizing total profit is balancing these factors.
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#23
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car...rofitable-car/
Adding more fuel to the fire - nothing definitive but I imagine the bean counters know the likely demand for each model.
A single GT3 may produce more margin than a single base Carrera but the quantity sold is a function of market demand.
Optimizing total profit is balancing these factors.
Adding more fuel to the fire - nothing definitive but I imagine the bean counters know the likely demand for each model.
A single GT3 may produce more margin than a single base Carrera but the quantity sold is a function of market demand.
Optimizing total profit is balancing these factors.
#24
Back to OP, I am hopeful its next week....It does seem to be somewhat dealer dependent on who gets their allocation when. Not going to state its "size" based but when Ive read on previous threads that someone just confirmed an allocation that was released to their dealer, Ive called the 2 local dealers Ive got small deposits (placed in May) with and they never seem to have allocations. Then I follow-up maybe in a week/10 days after and they say "oh, systems were updated and we were given X."
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
One of my dealers had 3 allocations released to them in August, 2 TT's and a Cab for Dec builds.
I live in CT and will use as a daily so those specs are pretty useless in my mind so Im still waiting. I only mentioned what they received because maybes there's some credence to theory of higher margin cars being pumped out right now?
Very frustrating because I am a committed consumer who wants a relatively "standard" car in a 4S. So rather than build one of their highest volume versions for an existing (and multi) P owner, lets send this dealer in CT 3 builds for yet to be committed consumers. In my (sour grapes) mind, thats not building good will with me but I get it....some out there at P knows more than me.
I'm bringing my Pmera in this week for a TPMS light issue and will chat with SM and report if he has any news.
For what it's worth, my understanding is that Porsche actually does pay attention to prior ownership.
I was told my prior ownership history (as well as my local proximity to the dealer) played a role in getting my allocation.
Of course, there are other factors that play a role in this. Dealership performance and capital investment, politics, maybe some quid pro quo and dumb luck.
I was told my prior ownership history (as well as my local proximity to the dealer) played a role in getting my allocation.
Of course, there are other factors that play a role in this. Dealership performance and capital investment, politics, maybe some quid pro quo and dumb luck.
#25
I do not have prior ownership experience but I think that should be viewed as a positive to some degree (bring a new customer into the marque, etc). So I guess I will just have to rely on dumb luck to get me through this allocation cycle. If it doesn't happen, that's OK, there will be more in the future.
Back in March I approached 2 local dealers.
The SA of one has been worthless.
The second dealer offered me a valid allocation in mid June and I have production beginning 10/15 with delivery in December.
This is for a base Carrera- all be it with a MSRP of $121k - with NO market adjustment.
I think you have to be patient and find the right dealer - good luck 🤞🤞🤞🤞
BTW - I have a friend in Ct who received his allocation for a C4S 2 weeks b4 me. His car completed production last week and is scheduled for November delivery.
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#26
Do you have a verifiable source on that? I'd like to see the numbers, I'm not willing to take that as a given. The base has a smaller engine, no fancy wing, less performance options. That's all cost reduction to Porsche while still being within, what, 20K of a GTS??? Don't discount the possibility of base Carreras having a better margin.
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#28
Its interesting to see that the answers to my OP have varied from "next week" to "not until November". So it sounds like this is a harder question to answer than it otherwise should be. I guess I will have to wait and see what this month brings.
#29
Another tally for November according to my SA when I spoke with them last week.
#30
Again, the more I hear this, the more I know I'm right. You familiar with "Moneyball"? Same principle - group-think is a bad, bad problem that can be solved with data. If no one is willing to look at the data and "hey everyone says it, so it must be true" then you are in a bad spot and a weak-minded thinker (yes, that means you).
Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
Unless someone can provide a verifiable source, I stand by all comments made in this thread.
The model has accounted for nearly 30% of total Porsche AG earnings since it launched, even though it made up only 11% of sales
“It’s a very simple calculation: The 911 is very profitable in its own form, and when you add the variations, the margins became immense”
one basic rule applies: the more expensive the car, the higher it is profit margin
a large margin can only arise if, on the one hand, enough vehicles are sold and, on the other hand, enough expensive extras are offered that can be easily implemented on the production side.
It’s also important to note that the base model 911 is the least profitable version of Porsche’s iconic coupe. The real money lies in expensive option packages and special edition trims.
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