PCCB or not to be
06-29-2021, 07:06 PM
#46
I opted for PCCB on my C2S and I definitely don't regret! The bite is incredible, even with low speed ranges such as coming up to a red light. The pedal feel is excellent, much more reliable feedback than coming from standard brakes. Expensive option but in terms of performance and up front cost savings (as opposed to an aftermarket conversion) it's one of the best options you could add. Clearly a personal choice, but I would rather spend the money on improving performance than on Burmeister or fancy leather bits.
06-29-2021, 07:45 PM
#47
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07-01-2021, 04:34 PM
#49
Former Vendor
All this talk about the superiority of PCCB performance. Outside of tracking and less brake fade in that setting, I don’t get it. In fact, stopping distances are no less and actually the opposite based on Car and Driver reviews of various 992s. As to brake feel, that is subjective - an issue for some, not for others.
07-01-2021, 05:30 PM
#50
Former Vendor
But not for those made with continuous (long) woven carbon fiber.
CCM Rotor with carbon fabric texture (Surface is actually very smooth.)
Those chipped and crack pics on Brembo rotors are solely for illustrating the strength from different rotor material and mfg process.
Last edited by RacingBrake; 07-19-2021 at 05:30 PM.
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07-01-2021, 05:38 PM
#51
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It's true for rotor made of Chopped carbon fiber (mixed with resin)
But not for those made with Woven carbon fiber.
CCM Rotor with carbon fabric texture (Surface is actually very smooth.)
But not for those made with Woven carbon fiber.
CCM Rotor with carbon fabric texture (Surface is actually very smooth.)
Definitely not worried about modern CCB’s all things considered.
07-01-2021, 06:38 PM
#52
Former Vendor
True. CCM rotor is a product with only about 20 years history but quickly evolved from Brembo's pccb introduction for 996/997 (Gen1) to today's (Gen4) compared to cast iron invented in China about some 1,500 years ago.
We maintain a self-funded R&D facility on brake in Fullerton, CA not only to enhance US brake technology but offered various products to improve OE brakes for motorsports enthusiasts
We hold 3 patents issued by USPTO in brake design, and in our library we have collected and digitized in our database.
Our goal is to prove to Porsche track enthusiasts that the latest CCM rotor not only is far better in performance for tracking/racing applications but they also can last much longer than conventional iron rotor. This is by no means a "marketing claim", it has been proven on other tracking communities, It's only a matter for you to try to believe - Just like before you tried our high temperature (Blue) dust boots, you couldn't believe there was such a boot ever existed, which has helped thousands of track enthusiasts to protect their calipers. Nowadays you no longer hear some experts' advice like "forget about replacing those boots. they will get toasted in just a few track days"
We maintain a self-funded R&D facility on brake in Fullerton, CA not only to enhance US brake technology but offered various products to improve OE brakes for motorsports enthusiasts
We hold 3 patents issued by USPTO in brake design, and in our library we have collected and digitized in our database.
- OE Calipers - 241 ea
- OE Spindles - 262 ea
Our goal is to prove to Porsche track enthusiasts that the latest CCM rotor not only is far better in performance for tracking/racing applications but they also can last much longer than conventional iron rotor. This is by no means a "marketing claim", it has been proven on other tracking communities, It's only a matter for you to try to believe - Just like before you tried our high temperature (Blue) dust boots, you couldn't believe there was such a boot ever existed, which has helped thousands of track enthusiasts to protect their calipers. Nowadays you no longer hear some experts' advice like "forget about replacing those boots. they will get toasted in just a few track days"
Last edited by RacingBrake; 07-01-2021 at 07:00 PM.
07-02-2021, 10:04 AM
#53
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For me, it's the feel. With PCCBs you can meter out incredible and immediate power, very precisely. The brakes allow this without being grabby or having a wooden feel or no modulation. The net result is that you can brake later in corners and there is no fade. It changes the way the car drives, as a whole. It elevates the entire package - the car feels like a higher performance machine.
Subjective? Sure. But so is a lot of what we like about these cars. PCCB vs Iron may or may not be faster on a track. I haven't done an A-B comparison and doubt that I'm good enough to exploit the advantages of PCCBs to prove the difference. On a street driven car, though, I'm not as concerned about lap times.
Porsche probably has some of the best EPS on the market, in terms of feel. Doesn't mean it necessarily makes the car faster. But it does make the car more enjoyable to drive. For me, it's the same deal with the brakes. Worth the money? When you add in the looks and the fact that you never have to clean them - it's a no brainer for me. YMMV.
Subjective? Sure. But so is a lot of what we like about these cars. PCCB vs Iron may or may not be faster on a track. I haven't done an A-B comparison and doubt that I'm good enough to exploit the advantages of PCCBs to prove the difference. On a street driven car, though, I'm not as concerned about lap times.
Porsche probably has some of the best EPS on the market, in terms of feel. Doesn't mean it necessarily makes the car faster. But it does make the car more enjoyable to drive. For me, it's the same deal with the brakes. Worth the money? When you add in the looks and the fact that you never have to clean them - it's a no brainer for me. YMMV.
07-02-2021, 11:10 AM
#54
One downside though - and I'd be curious about your take on this as a fellow 993 owner - is that if you drive multiple cars, especially if some are older cars with steel brakes, you have to readjust the level of brake pressure needed for a normal, smooth stop as you hop from car to car. I have thrown my wife forward a bit aggressively into her seatbelt on first application of the PCCBs in my 992 after driving one of the other cars around and getting acclimated to their higher effort pedal. The PCCBs have serious initial bite!
993 definitely requires much more initial force compares to the pccbs. The big reds on the 993c4s were some of the best on the market and the pccbs make them feel really dated.
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07-02-2021, 07:23 PM
#55
Former Vendor
993 was the last model before pccb started being introduced for 996 in the late 90, so no pccb for 993.
To make that up we offer two complete ccb system upgrade kits for 993:
394/390mm (Using ZR1 size rotors) - Fits most 19" wheels
Ready to ship.
350/350mm (Using 996/997 pccb rotors) - Fits most 18" wheels
Production pending to pre-orders
Both kits are designed to the standard stock rotor sizes (for interchangeability), and built with the latest G4 CCM materials - A modern brake kit leaping for three decades, and surpassing even the newest 992 pccb.
To make that up we offer two complete ccb system upgrade kits for 993:
394/390mm (Using ZR1 size rotors) - Fits most 19" wheels
Ready to ship.
350/350mm (Using 996/997 pccb rotors) - Fits most 18" wheels
Production pending to pre-orders
Both kits are designed to the standard stock rotor sizes (for interchangeability), and built with the latest G4 CCM materials - A modern brake kit leaping for three decades, and surpassing even the newest 992 pccb.
01-13-2023, 09:23 PM
#56
Drifting
I had a 991.2 base Carrera with PCCBs. They were sublime. I'm guessing they would be, too, on the 992. I am ordering a 992S in part because I cannot get PCCBs on a 992 Base with MT...or on a 992T, for that matter.
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
Last edited by TomTarzian; 01-13-2023 at 09:24 PM.
01-13-2023, 11:01 PM
#57
Rennlist Member
I had a 991.2 base Carrera with PCCBs. They were sublime. I'm guessing they would be, too, on the 992. I am ordering a 992S in part because I cannot get PCCBs on a 992 Base with MT...or on a 992T, for that matter.
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
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01-15-2023, 10:07 PM
#58
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I had a 991.2 base Carrera with PCCBs. They were sublime. I'm guessing they would be, too, on the 992. I am ordering a 992S in part because I cannot get PCCBs on a 992 Base with MT...or on a 992T, for that matter.
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
PS: Porsche offers us so much choice, except some really basic ones, like a 992 base with MT or a 992T with PCCBs.
God bless you,
TT
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HINZ MOTORSPORT
Race Parts & Accessories for your PORSCHE
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Call: 414-212-5679
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