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Old 06-25-2021, 03:26 PM
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In a different thread a Rennlister posted his opinion that the brake pads in the 992 create less dust than previous due to a change mandated by air quality standards in Europe.
Im curious if current 992 owners without PCCB brakes have noticed any variation in brake dust.
Why, beacause I hate brake dust and am currently specking another base 992 and trying to talk myself in the PCCB option which is $9k. My only reason to it is the dust. Iron brakes work just fine and possibly with ceramic coating on wheels it’s not as big an issue.
some real world feedback would be appreciated.
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I personally would not have added them to my build. I think a good ceramic $400-500 pro job on the wheels and spray them off. Really won't even need a wheel cleaner. That said, I would only consider them on a car I expected to keep 5+ years. And it seems a bit odd to go for such a high price option on a base Carrera. That's my $.02.
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Originally Posted by ohniner
In a different thread a Rennlister posted his opinion that the brake pads in the 992 create less dust than previous due to a change mandated by air quality standards in Europe.
Im curious if current 992 owners without PCCB brakes have noticed any variation in brake dust.
Why, beacause I hate brake dust and am currently specking another base 992 and trying to talk myself in the PCCB option which is $9k. My only reason to it is the dust. Iron brakes work just fine and possibly with ceramic coating on wheels it’s not as big an issue.
some real world feedback would be appreciated.
I have 20k miles on mine and I literally laughed out loud at the premise that the 992 brakes/pads generated less dust. Yes, there will be dust.
Ceramic coating the wheels makes clean-up a lot easier. I have the RS Spyder Design wheels, which is more/less the worst case scenario. With the ceramic coating, they're easy to clean -- no harsh wheel cleaners required.

While it seems counter-intuitive, Porsche actually recommends the iron rotors if you plan on tracking the car, because the replacement costs are substantially cheaper AND every wheel/tire change is an opportunity to chip the PCCBs if you aren't super careful. I seriously considered PCCBs for my C4S, but I'm glad that I went with iron rotors, especially when it's cold and wet outside.

If you do pony up, the PCCBs are outstanding and you'll get around half of that $9k back when you sell the car.
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If Brake Dust is any kind of an issue for you . . . . get the PCCB's. I can clean my wheels to spotless, including the inside of the rims, then take the car out for a 15-20 mile spin and the accumulation of brake dust is quite noticeable. I joked with a neighbor, who also has a 992, that we have to wash the wheels five to ten times for every time the rest of the car needs to be washed. I believe the Rear Differential "Torque Vectoring" function, the C2S employs to enhance turn-in and corner stability by selectively applying the Rear Brakes, adds to the accumulation on the rear wheels in particular.
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I've never had PCCB's on any of my Porsche's because a) I've always found other options I'd rather spend the $9K on, b) I have always found the iron brakes to be more than sufficient and c) it only cost my $300 to have my Spyder wheels ceramic coated. This year has been worse for me than 2020 (got shingles from COVID-19 1st shot, house took a direct lightning strike, insurance issues, contractor issues, etc.), bottom line I have enough things that have happened to make a good country song. So the moral is I didn't have much time to clean my wheels like I normally do (especially in the Spring). I took the car in for a professional detail (same folks who PPF'd it and applied original ceramic coating) and apologized to the guys in advance for the "nasty" wheels. Afterwards they commented on how easy they were to clean.

It really comes down to what's of value, to you. Cleaning them, which does take more effort but I don't mind it personally or avoiding the hassle by paying more.

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There aren’t many people who regret getting PCCBs, I suspect.
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Managing brake dust is easier on some wheels than others. Even without ceramic coating, my Carrera Classics are a breeze to clean while my Porsche 19/20 winters which have a few extra nooks and crannies take a bit more time and effort. I expect the Spyders would be significantly more labor-intensive than any of the other Porsche wheels.
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Originally Posted by ohniner
In a different thread a Rennlister posted his opinion that the brake pads in the 992 create less dust than previous due to a change mandated by air quality standards in Europe.
Im curious if current 992 owners without PCCB brakes have noticed any variation in brake dust.
Why, beacause I hate brake dust and am currently specking another base 992 and trying to talk myself in the PCCB option which is $9k. My only reason to it is the dust. Iron brakes work just fine and possibly with ceramic coating on wheels it’s not as big an issue.
some real world feedback would be appreciated.
This is my first Porsche 911 C2 I haver never had Ceramic Brakes so have no experience of them. The standard brakes are a bit dusty but I ceramic coated the wheels myself (two applications) I just hit them with the pressure washer no cleaners and they look perfect. Personally I would rather spend the $9k on something else.
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Old 06-26-2021, 12:18 AM
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Every car I order from here on out will have CCB's! My E63S is my first car with CCB's and I love them. Essentially, there is NO brake dust. I just spray them off. All my prior autos have irons. Although the wheels on my R8 have a ceramic coating, the dust still accumlates and is visible. Sure, it washes off easier now, but I can see it. With CCB's there is nothing!!!!
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Agree…the PCCBs don’t offer less brake dust, they offer zero brake dust. It’s unreal. Love them!
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I'll never own a Porsche without them. The lack of dust is only a tertiary benefit. The confidence they inspire and the exact same feel/stopping power they provide every time you press the decelerator are the real benes. Worth every penny even with the risks associated with owning them.

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Originally Posted by 3rdpedal
I personally would not have added them to my build. I think a good ceramic $400-500 pro job on the wheels and spray them off. Really won't even need a wheel cleaner. That said, I would only consider them on a car I expected to keep 5+ years. And it seems a bit odd to go for such a high price option on a base Carrera. That's my $.02.
You aren't driving your cars right. If you think you can't benefit from PCCBs in a mere 'Base' car then you aren't using it to it's potential, regardless of where you drive it.

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Originally Posted by S S
You aren't driving your cars right. If you think you can't benefit from PCCBs in a mere 'Base' car then you aren't using it to it's potential, regardless of where you drive it.

I drove my C4S 997 to its potential for sure and I did just fine with the brakes on it. I suspect that will be the case with my 992. I'm not saying that PCCBs aren't great. But that HIGH priced of an option on a base C2 seems like a odd place to put so much of the budget. Usually you see that option on higher priced trims that are already fairly loaded up. And one of the real benefits of the PCCB is no brake jobs on the car essentially. For a 2-3 year car it isn't a $$ saving option. On a 5-7 year car, it more likely helps.
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Old 06-26-2021, 08:53 AM
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Note, I only have about 500 miles on my car and I do have the RS Spyder wheels.

No descernable brake dust so far. I actually skipped cleaning my wheels when washing the car recently.

Wheels take less than a minute each to ”hand wash”.

So I’m at a loss why someone would drop $8k on PCCBs - especially when the main reason is “they make less dust”.
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Note, I only have about 500 miles on my car and I do have the RS Spyder wheels.

No descernable brake dust so far. I actually skipped cleaning my wheels when washing the car recently.

Wheels take less than a minute each to ”hand wash”.

So I’m at a loss why someone would drop $8k on PCCBs - especially when the main reason is “they make less dust”.
They don't make less dust. They make NO dust. I haven't touched my wheels in almost 1.5 years.

Beyond that, the performance and looks are way up there. I'll never own another Porsche without them, if I can help it.

I will say - picking PCCBs on a base Carrera is an interesting choice. Not many base Carreras have that option, which makes me all the more interested to see someone actually go through with it. Talk about a unicorn.

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