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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 07:15 PM
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A local Ceramic Pro shop advertises a $590 Silver package with one coat of Ceramic Pro 9H-- but for $400 more, you get four coats of Ceramic Pro--and a "lifetime" warranty. (I"m skeptical of this, but maybe somebody can comment). The question is whether the premium for four coats would be worth it. Will the extra coating last longer and look better during its useful life? I'm also curious to know what people's experiences are with ceramic coated windshields. I presume they sheet water pretty effectively, but are they streaky, and do the wipers chatter?
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 08:22 PM
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A local Ceramic Pro shop advertises a $590 Silver package with one coat of Ceramic Pro 9H-- but for $400 more, you get four coats of Ceramic Pro--and a "lifetime" warranty. (I"m skeptical of this, but maybe somebody can comment). The question is whether the premium for four coats would be worth it. Will the extra coating last longer and look better during its useful life? I'm also curious to know what people's experiences are with ceramic coated windshields. I presume they sheet water pretty effectively, but are they streaky, and do the wipers chatter?
Did they give some details on what the “lifetime warranty” covers. My installer quoted 4 year warranty which covers “blistering, bubbling, cracking, delaminating, peeling or noticeable loss of gloss or reflectivity during the course of up to 48 months from date of application or service treatment or 80,000 km mileage.”

Might be worth it if they mean they will just touch it up when needed for the duration you have the car.
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 08:38 PM
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I don't know what they mean by a lifetime warranty, so I have to pay them a visit and find out. I can't fathom how they adjudicate this. How do you measure a "noticeable loss of reflectivity"?
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 09:45 PM
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Lifetime warranty requires yearly inspections by ceramic pro. If you don’t do this then warranty drops to 5 years I believe.
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Old Jan 9, 2021 | 10:10 PM
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I don't know what they mean by a lifetime warranty, so I have to pay them a visit and find out. I can't fathom how they adjudicate this. How do you measure a "noticeable loss of reflectivity"?
Exactly. This is why I have my doubts about any ceramic warranty.
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Old Jan 12, 2021 | 10:30 PM
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Ceramic coatings, when properly applied last 3-4 years at best. Note that proper installation requires a paint correction which is highly unlikely for $590. The "lifetime warranty" is a selling point, and if you will probably have no success in claiming it.
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Don’t bite. Any ceramic coating the doesn’t have a proper paint correction isn’t worth the $’s. First do a proper paint correction the ceramic coating. If you are considering PPF, the correction first , PPF, then ceramic coating. A good ceramic install has more than 1 layer application and usually a top coat IMO but there are experts here who can lead you correctly.

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If I take the car to a detailer within a few days of taking delivery, isn't it likely that there will be minimal, if any, need for paint correction? I can imagine that there may be one or two areas where there might be very fine scratches resulting from the pre-delivery process, but surely the condition of the paint will be very different than a car that has been driven for months or years, and washed dozens of times. I would think that a brand new car could be ceramic coated with good results without spending a boatload on correction, but I'm new to this, so if I'm wrong, please advise.
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Same question here. I had my detailer do a ceramic coat a few days after delivery. The paint looked perfect to me and looks great now with the coat. Car has yet to see rain and I’ve been wiping it down with a detailer solution every week. So far, very happy with the coat.

Also curious about how the coat performs on the windshield. Anyone have any experience?
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Don't get hung up on "paint correction", it's really just going over the car with a polish and getting the surface squeaky clean prior to the ceramic coating. You want all impurities out of the paint, really no difference than a proper wax job. I have Ceramic coating on my wife's Macan S and my Audi E-Tron (both of which I did myself), because they clean up so much easier with it. For my 992, I will still stay with the Swissvax system. It won't last as long, but leaves a "warmer" look than ceramic coating in my opinion - a richer look. Certainly gives nothing away in shine, here's the hood of my Jet Black Metallic 992.


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Cars come from the port and dealer after being washed with some swirling. A new car does not require an aggressive correction but as Drcollie has said it prepares the surface for the PPF and or ceramic finish. It is definitely worth the time and $’s.
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Just after bringing it home I went over my new 992 with a flashlight in hand - there were very few minor, hairline type fine lines here and there...i simply didn't see the point of touching them - i did a DIY ceramic coating (AvalonKing) on the car only, and washing has been great - the sheeting and beading effect are excellent, which really does help come wash time - i'd do it on all my new cars from now on - never did windows as, according to Porsche owners manual, they apply a factory coating - i'll let that wear off before i put one myself
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Amazing amount of gloss on that car. Thanks for the feedback.
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Regarding paint correction prior to ceramic - I took delivery on a Friday of my night blue 992 and took it home to before taking into the PPF/Ceramic shop on Monday. I was intent on inspecting it and the most glaring problem was the rear wing was not in good shape and I could not simply rub away (carefully) so I emailed both my dealer and detailer. Dealer wanted me to bring it in to have them look at it - Detailer said no big deal he could likely fix. Later - this forum pointed out a bulletin that this was to be fixed with light heat. Moral is, I found something so you might too.

It's been a year, the PPF has already likely saved me once (rubbed out someone brushing against it leaving a mark) and the ceramic, while beading very heavily, I"m thinking about adding a layer of Smith's Graphene on top just to have some fun.

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After a long voyage from Germany. Swirling/etching in the paint is not uncommon for a brand new car. Most of the time, imperfections won’t be seen at first glance, but more-so under certain lighting conditions.

Paint correction is key when prepping for PPF/ceramic. I’ve had two 992 cars & BOTH have had clear coat imperfections caused by the transport film trapping moisture during transit.

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...erfections.pdf

This is obviously something that requires more effort to correct.

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1219...ery-2-0-a.html

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