SPORTPLUS better than SPORT even in manual shifting
08-27-2020, 06:05 PM
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Sport changes to Lightning systems refer to the PSLS+ and Matrix systems where the steering function of the headlights and the auto high beams function more aggressively.
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08-27-2020, 09:25 PM
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In my 3+ years owning the 991 GT3, I don’t believe I ever shifted with the Porsche *****, er, ahem, the PDK shifter.
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smiles11 (08-27-2020)
08-27-2020, 10:11 PM
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I can't get used to using the paddles. And from using a manual transmission for years, it just feels intuitive to reach down to grab a shift **** of some sort to change gears. I could see using the paddles on a race track maybe. But in everyday driving on the street, I find myself only using them here and there once in a while. The PDK does a great job on its own when I want to drive fast. And if I want to downshift, I've learned how to blip the throttle just right to get the transmission to do that without ever having to use the paddles. I just honestly feel like the car is missing something by not having a console mounted shifter in the spot where one has always been.
08-27-2020, 10:50 PM
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I can't get used to using the paddles. And from using a manual transmission for years, it just feels intuitive to reach down to grab a shift **** of some sort to change gears. I could see using the paddles on a race track maybe. But in everyday driving on the street, I find myself only using them here and there once in a while. The PDK does a great job on its own when I want to drive fast. And if I want to downshift, I've learned how to blip the throttle just right to get the transmission to do that without ever having to use the paddles. I just honestly feel like the car is missing something by not having a console mounted shifter in the spot where one has always been.
Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Mercedes, etc all have done away with them. Porsche is like a relic from a long long time ago.
I’m surprised the 992 even had a console shifter. Would’ve been cleaner and easier without one.
08-27-2020, 11:29 PM
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An actual console mounted shifter for dual-clutch automated manuals are like Dodo birds.
Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Mercedes, etc all have done away with them. Porsche is like a relic from a long long time ago.
I’m surprised the 992 even had a console shifter. Would’ve been cleaner and easier without one.
Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Mercedes, etc all have done away with them. Porsche is like a relic from a long long time ago.
I’m surprised the 992 even had a console shifter. Would’ve been cleaner and easier without one.
08-27-2020, 11:44 PM
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An actual console mounted shifter for dual-clutch automated manuals are like Dodo birds.
Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Mercedes, etc all have done away with them. Porsche is like a relic from a long long time ago.
I’m surprised the 992 even had a console shifter. Would’ve been cleaner and easier without one.
Ferrari, McLaren, Aston, Mercedes, etc all have done away with them. Porsche is like a relic from a long long time ago.
I’m surprised the 992 even had a console shifter. Would’ve been cleaner and easier without one.
The 2018 BMW M4 Competition I traded in for my 992 4S had one. My feeling is that that's where the shifter goes and if Porsche is going to put any kind of transmission control there, they may as well put a fully functional one that can shift from gear to gear rather than the Braun shifter nubbin.
08-28-2020, 02:32 AM
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I firmly believe the only reason the PDK shifter is on the console is because of the manual transmission. If they didn’t have to accommodate a manual shifter it’d be on the dash like the Taycan.
But I’m with Steve, if it’s there make it functional.
But I’m with Steve, if it’s there make it functional.
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08-28-2020, 04:53 AM
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Not trying be to rude in anyway, I'm just curious how you are calling the Sport exhaust on the 992 obnoxious, maybe I'm just used to louder cars like my F-type or various M and AMG cars but I've heard and driven both 992 with and without PSE and with PSE even in open it doesn't really seem loud at all to me, def a lot quieter then the N/A models. what cars are you used that makes the 992 sound "obnoxious" I've noticed a lot of aversion to louder cars on rennlist and I agree to an extent. Straight piped 5.0s and then you have normal cars that are made to be stupid loud, that I don't like, but it's a porsche, its a sports car. its nice to have a little more noise then everyday cars and have some emotion in the exhaust.
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08-28-2020, 02:00 PM
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Not trying be to rude in anyway, I'm just curious how you are calling the Sport exhaust on the 992 obnoxious, maybe I'm just used to louder cars like my F-type or various M and AMG cars but I've heard and driven both 992 with and without PSE and with PSE even in open it doesn't really seem loud at all to me, def a lot quieter then the N/A models. what cars are you used that makes the 992 sound "obnoxious" I've noticed a lot of aversion to louder cars on rennlist and I agree to an extent. Straight piped 5.0s and then you have normal cars that are made to be stupid loud, that I don't like, but it's a porsche, its a sports car. its nice to have a little more noise then everyday cars and have some emotion in the exhaust.
The bubbles do seem a little bit... fake and deliberate and a bit.. pretentious, but maybe not to the extent of being obnoxious.
In fact I enjoy it from time to time and yeah, I like to be noticed sometimes
08-28-2020, 02:01 PM
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Not trying be to rude in anyway, I'm just curious how you are calling the Sport exhaust on the 992 obnoxious, maybe I'm just used to louder cars like my F-type or various M and AMG cars but I've heard and driven both 992 with and without PSE and with PSE even in open it doesn't really seem loud at all to me, def a lot quieter then the N/A models. what cars are you used that makes the 992 sound "obnoxious" I've noticed a lot of aversion to louder cars on rennlist and I agree to an extent. Straight piped 5.0s and then you have normal cars that are made to be stupid loud, that I don't like, but it's a porsche, its a sports car. its nice to have a little more noise then everyday cars and have some emotion in the exhaust.
It's not the volume, it's the pops/guffs (alternative British word for farts!) at even very low speed. It's what you hear from a 4-pot turbo Audi or AMG as it cruises through town on and off the gas.
If it could turned-off at the dealer I'd certainly do that.
You dont get any of that in Sports +
08-28-2020, 02:09 PM
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Not quite. The 991.1 in sport + had the PSM in sport (some slide allowed). PSM is on or off.
The 991.2 and 992 activate the PSM sport separate from the sport + dial at the PSM button (short press). With the sport or sport+, the traction control is fully engaged until the PSM button is changed. The latter has 3 settings, on, sport, off.
From good to know app:
PSM Activating Sport
Vehicles with Sport Chrono package
In sport PSM mode, the system operates in a particularly sporty mode.
WARNING
Restricted PSM support
In PSM Sport mode, the support provided by PSM is restricted in critical driving situations outside the ABS control range.
Always leave PSM Sport switched off during "normal" driving operation.
Press button briefly.
The PSM OFF warning light on the instrument cluster lights up. The button lights up red.
A message stating that PSM Sport is activated appears on the instrument cluster.
The 991.2 and 992 activate the PSM sport separate from the sport + dial at the PSM button (short press). With the sport or sport+, the traction control is fully engaged until the PSM button is changed. The latter has 3 settings, on, sport, off.
From good to know app:
PSM Activating Sport
Vehicles with Sport Chrono package
In sport PSM mode, the system operates in a particularly sporty mode.
WARNING
Restricted PSM support
In PSM Sport mode, the support provided by PSM is restricted in critical driving situations outside the ABS control range.
Always leave PSM Sport switched off during "normal" driving operation.
Press button briefly.
The PSM OFF warning light on the instrument cluster lights up. The button lights up red.
A message stating that PSM Sport is activated appears on the instrument cluster.
I think that table pretty much sums up my point:
SPORT PLUS does not simple change the shifting time in AUTO mode but even in MANUAL mode makes difference by:
-Drive response to PERFORMANCE
-PDK to PERFORMANCE
-PTM/PTV/PASM to PERFORMANCE
Effectively making it more responsive and agile than in SPORT mode.
Now I almost always drive in SPORTPLUS mode and after getting used to the characteristics of that mode, I feel the car seems much much more alert and responsive and almost feel like it's transformed into a new car.
That question mark why is this new 911 a bit laggy has cleared out of my mind!
08-28-2020, 02:21 PM
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Not trying be to rude in anyway, I'm just curious how you are calling the Sport exhaust on the 992 obnoxious, maybe I'm just used to louder cars like my F-type or various M and AMG cars but I've heard and driven both 992 with and without PSE and with PSE even in open it doesn't really seem loud at all to me, def a lot quieter then the N/A models. what cars are you used that makes the 992 sound "obnoxious" I've noticed a lot of aversion to louder cars on rennlist and I agree to an extent. Straight piped 5.0s and then you have normal cars that are made to be stupid loud, that I don't like, but it's a porsche, its a sports car. its nice to have a little more noise then everyday cars and have some emotion in the exhaust.
I'm not making judgments about one or the other, but I think that's the Maginot line that we're talking about here.
08-28-2020, 02:26 PM
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