inastrangeland

Actually there are a lot of differing views on PCCBs especially on a car that is tracked frequently. The AP stuff is very close in weight to PCCBs without the cost. There are quite a few Porsche track cars that take off their Carbon rotors and run steel on the track. I did a lot of research before my decision to go with aftermarket steel brakes.

992Sam

sure thing, whatever works for you... professional racing cars are all equipped with carbon ceramic breaks... why? I guess that's a looming question.

I personally went with the for absolutely nothing to do with weight or performance... a) they look way cooler, and b) I HATE break dust.

inastrangeland

Easy answer, big bank accounts... list price on a single rotor is ~$8k...

992Sam

I never debated that point... we were talking about absolute weight savings (down to ounces)... and some are listing extra's that cost thousands, such as titanium exhaust, etc..

inastrangeland

I assume you are speaking from experience? Come to Colorado and we will get you on the track for some driving fun..

smiles11

Lightweight rims can easily offset having steels in unsprung weight savings. PCCB + lightweight rims is a game changer.

F250to911

I agree with you. The Carbon Ceramic Brakes are just not worth the extra cost. Especially when you consider the life span of PCCBs and replacement costs. The weight savings are minimal.

markchristenson

Whether the PCCBs are worth the cost is a matter of opinion that has been well debated for a decade. The weight savings, however, considering it is unsprung rotational weight, is more than minimal. I would be willing to wager that even a novice would notice a difference in otherwise-identical cars if driven back-to-back. And if a person is not able to notice, then definitely get the steels :-)

smiles11

I think PCCB’s have even more value for those that never track. 150k miles & no brake dust. Sells itself if keeping the car long term.

992Sam

nope .. no experience, but google is my best friend 🤣

992Sam

the lifespan for me as a street driver exceeds the life of the car ... not to mention saving in new brake pads and rotors over the next 150,000 miles.

inastrangeland

Nice article in Oregon PCA.... Clearly outlines my thinking on the matter. Running in NASA TT, you appreciate experience over Google. But here is Google....

https://www.oregonpca.org/porsche-traction-in-winter-2/

markchristenson

Good article. I think a lot of conversations are people talking past each other. A person who doesn’t track his/her car and wants the look/exclusivity/performance/etc. will look at the choice much differently than a person who goes to the track 5, 10, 15 times/year. I am disappointed that PCCBs are not as indestructible as was implied when they first came out, but even then the intent may have been aimed at folks who won’t track their cars. But not so disappointed that I didn’t spec them :-)

992Sam

Exactly..

A purchase of a car like this is mostly an emotional decision (a marketers dream car)... to sit here and talk about logical reasons, and GASP financial reasons to skimp on this or add that is pointless... We all order our cars a certain way for a reason, it emotionally works for us.. necessity and utility has VERY little to do with the entire exercise... Frankly even though I spent north of $180K for this car (a lot for a C4S), my only regret is not spending the $2000 more for front axle lift!

992Sam

before ordering mine, I did a lot of research including a poll with 3 dozen or more responses on the 991 forums to ask how long PCCB's have been lasting for Daily Drivers... the number far exceeds what this article, written but one man, and pointing to no real data collaborates.. The numbers I got on the 991 forums exceeded 100,000 miles and "Brakes still have a long life in them" type comments... I also spoke to the shop Forman at two dealers and got the same story...