Discounts on 2021 orders
06-19-2020, 12:06 AM
#76
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I fail to see the issue with asking a dealer for a discount. They are not obligated to give you one. Why is this such an issue? Yes, everyone has to make a profit, but each dealer determines what they want to sell their cars for. I too used to work for a dealer. I know all the ways to to get people to part with their money and make a few extra coin. The point here is They do not have to give you anything and you do not have to buy from them.. No one is pointing a gun and robbing them. So everyone who has an issue with asking for a discount should chill out and move on. it is called Free Enterprise.
”The answer is no if you never ask.”
”The answer is no if you never ask.”
06-19-2020, 10:50 AM
#77
Ok in the instance of brain surgery you are right, but it is the principal of it. Maybe a better choice would be elective plastic surgery that is not covered by insurance. I am just trying to make a point.
06-19-2020, 12:36 PM
#78
If you are buying something that is "no haggle" it just means someone higher up the food chain did the haggling and reaped the reward. Haggling is business.
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06-21-2020, 10:44 PM
#82
06-22-2020, 12:55 PM
#83
Burning Brakes
06-24-2020, 03:14 PM
#84
This has been discussed to death. Without trunk money or other manufacturer incentives, there’s about 10 percent margin for a dealer on a new car. Cost of ED is about $3500, which needs (in normal circumstances) to be taken off the table when negotiating a discount off MSRP.
Irks me to no end the people here constantly looking to grind dealers on a few points. My guess us the majority of grinders are NOT small business owners but (well paid) wage slaves who have no real understanding of what it takes to run a business. If you give up your margins on the sales side, then you gotta make it up on service. Which is the other ongoing complaint here: high costs of service at the dealer.
No doubt about it in my mind: 911 buyers are some of the cheapest bast***s in the car buying universe.
Irks me to no end the people here constantly looking to grind dealers on a few points. My guess us the majority of grinders are NOT small business owners but (well paid) wage slaves who have no real understanding of what it takes to run a business. If you give up your margins on the sales side, then you gotta make it up on service. Which is the other ongoing complaint here: high costs of service at the dealer.
No doubt about it in my mind: 911 buyers are some of the cheapest bast***s in the car buying universe.
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
06-24-2020, 03:27 PM
#85
Thank you for your post @gcurnew!
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
06-24-2020, 04:59 PM
#86
Rennlist Member
Thank you for your post @gcurnew!
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
The rub of this then goes to trade in's - which is where the dealer usually gets the much much better end of this deal. That is what drives the other behavior when negotiating for a new car. Is the back end of getting the same treatment on the dealer side on trade in value.
06-24-2020, 05:26 PM
#87
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
As someone that has retired from the automotive industry after a 45 year career and 30 of those years as a manager I would like to agree with you completely. I made some comments earlier in this post. I also believe that people should have a fair deal when they purchase a vehicle but as you say dealerships have huge overhead. Far higher than the majority people can imagine. The people working at the dealership want to make a decent living too.
Yes, we all want a fair deal for both parties. We all need to make a living. And everyone has choices, buyers and dealers. Free enterprise.
06-24-2020, 06:45 PM
#88
Thank you for your post @gcurnew!
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
I sell Porsche's (Porsche Certified Brand Ambassador) and the auto business in general is the only business that I can think of where the consumer does not want the dealership or the salesperson to make a dime. The dealership has overhead just like any other business and employees have expenses just like everyone else. Now I'm all for getting and giving a fair deal. However 10% off does not leave much meat on the bone for the salesperson that depends on that to make ends meet. I retired after 35 years as an Architect, and decided to do something completely different and fun and now sell Porsche's however, I work with a few salespeople that are in their 30's and this is their only source of income. If you can afford a new 911 you can afford to pay the salesperson a living wage. Having said that, I do have two 992 Cabriolet's on the lot if interested PM me.
On top of that, the notion of shaming potential buyers for requesting a discount from a car company's dealerships that have routinely charged hefty ADMs above and beyond MSRP for other cars is outright laughable, and quite frankly hypocritical. "Hey, supply and demand," one might say. That works both ways.
Also, if salespeople who have this as their only source of income don't like the realities of this business and the fact that buyers will attempt to get the best possible deal on a car, then I suggest pursuing an alternative line of work. No one is making them do this for a living.
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06-24-2020, 06:58 PM
#90