josephr25

I always imagine myself as the young Captain Kirk driving that stolen Corvette in the first "Star Trek" movie reboot...

Just wish the Honda E was sold here

ipse dixit

People should relax about Governor Newsom's announcement yesterday.

It was an executive order. In other words, in a couple of years when a new governor is elected there is a very good chance that the executive order re EV by 2035 gets modified, or simply revoked.

Move along, really nothing to see here.

JRoach

ipse dixit, refraining from politics in that state (smile). I wanted to keep the discussion more about our cars, RV of ICE pre 2035, and the next gen 911.

In this thread it was mentioned that Porsche (unsure of the exec) said that the 992.2 will not be a hybrid.
This will accelerate car companies thinking....ie; Scott Keogh said; “I think we’ve probably got [the ID 4] a few years sooner” because of Dieselgate.

Question to the group - What does a 992's engine, petrol, etc weigh and based on where batteries are going....when will that weight be equal.

How cool to think that the 911's weight distribution in the future might be adjustable or even customizable (sliding batteries front/back).

smiles11

I’d be more worried about Germany than California.

JRoach

smiles11,
Agree, I think the announcement, even if it was ceremonial, added "fuel" to the fire.

kpblade

Ultimately, the ICE will go the way of the Dodo, just a matter of time.....when the "Flux Capacitor" becomes reality, we'll just have to wait and see.

Mike Murphy

I think it depends on where we live, what we do with our cars, and like you said, how long to keep the car.

My small town is just outside of Chicago, so there’s a lot of 3-mile or less driving. Lots of stop and go (where electric car acceleration is FUN but not annoying to the community), electric cars make the most sense here, with pollution and wear and tear the highest on short drives. Illinois has 33% natural gas and 33% nuclear power at about a $0.14/kw rate, and our designer gas is about $3/gal.

My wife and I are tired of timing chain replacements, coolant and spark plug changes, all the usual German-car headaches with her Q5. Would love a Tesla Y instead.

Contrast this with My 996, however, which is an old car now, dare I saw vintage, but a blast to drive in the rural country roads, or mountain roads, even the highway. Long distance trips are often easier with gas cars.

I would have a hard time buying a non-electric new car today for a daily driver or a utility vehicle.

A good plan might be to buy a used 991 to hold for 5 years and then make a different decision around 2026, considering improvements in tech.

comis_hq

ICE was going to end since 1990's.
Federal/State governments are still offering tax rebate for all EVs (except Tesla) in 2020.
Should I say more?
ICE ain't dying anytime soon.

JRoach

I'm guessing that the Tesla Battery is about double the weight of the 992's engine.

If they were equal weight (lets say in 2025) would that accelerate the direction of cars like the 911 to be electric?

If the motors specs were greater than the engine is it more than that (deceleration)?

Seems like an electric 911 could disperse the weight lower than today with a F/R weight ratio whatever they want.

gcurnew

The poster child for urban electrification isn't cars...it's scooters. I live smack in the middle of the city, and my office is about 1 km from my home. My parking is on level 4 of a high-rise, and it's .4 km from my parking space(s) to the street. In the time it takes to get down the elevator to get the 911, or gear up to take my motorcycle, or unlock a bicycle from the rack, I'm at work via scooter. Out the front door of my building at home there are 4-8 Lime scooters available every morning, and if the scooter I rode to work isn't on the street exactly where I left it at the end of the day, another 8 are within a minute's walk.

Sometimes the sea change happens where people aren't looking. In the case of electric vehicles in urban environments with infrastructure challenges and limitations, owned electric isn't nearly as scalable as shared electric.

JRoach

maybe we won't even have a car dedicated to one person/family in 2035

aggie57

Agreed, the revolution in personal transport at least in urban areas will be less about propulsion and more about ownership and access. Uber and scooters are just the tip of the iceberg, really if we boil it down so many people already lease or otherwise finance their cars it's not such a big leap. Once you get past that mental barrier than the whole concept of what the vehicle actually is becomes moot. We just want to get to where we need to go.

gcurnew

You got it. If someone told me 20, 10 or even 5 years ago I’d choose a shared electric scooter over a new 911 as my commuting tool of choice I’ve have near died laughing. Uber and scooters are just round 1; the innovators aren’t wired to incrementally upset the status quo, they’re gonna turn the “owned” model on its ear.

JRoach

What might make me more comfortable with an electric 911 would be a financial structure such that you own the car but lease the batteries, much like the airline industry.