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I've read all or at least most of this thread. I came here b/c I am getting close to my freeze point and trying to figure out PASM v SPASM. I was hoping for info on the ride, but apparently most of the convo is about wheel gap and looks. I'm in the if the wheel gap is higher but it rides better camp, so be it. Some have said the SPASM even lowered rides better at Normal mode than the PASM does in Normal mode. And that on good roads one would expect the SPASM to outperform.
Question. If you turn on Sport mode via the dial, does it turn on SPASM to Sport as well or are those separate. I imagine I may want to drive with the engine in Sport but the suspension in Normal most of the time, as our Denver roads are a bit like the surface of the moon and not so much fun for the stiffer ride.
Or can you at least configure a shortcut toggle to do a combination of things like turn on Sport, put the suspension in Normal, and turn on PSE, essentially a programmed Individual mode that you don't have to delve into the touch screen to get to each time you get in the car.
I've read all or at least most of this thread. I came here b/c I am getting close to my freeze point and trying to figure out PASM v SPASM. I was hoping for info on the ride, but apparently most of the convo is about wheel gap and looks. I'm in the if the wheel gap is higher but it rides better camp, so be it. Some have said the SPASM even lowered rides better at Normal mode than the PASM does in Normal mode. And that on good roads one would expect the SPASM to outperform.
Question. If you turn on Sport mode via the dial, does it turn on SPASM to Sport as well or are those separate. I imagine I may want to drive with the engine in Sport but the suspension in Normal most of the time, as our Denver roads are a bit like the surface of the moon and not so much fun for the stiffer ride.
Or can you at least configure a shortcut toggle to do a combination of things like turn on Sport, put the suspension in Normal, and turn on PSE, essentially a programmed Individual mode that you don't have to delve into the touch screen to get to each time you get in the car.
SPASM is switched to the stiffer range in Sport+. In Sport it stays in the softer/normal range. That's in a Sports Chrono equipped car of course, can't speak for a car without SC.
SPASM is switched to the stiffer range in Sport+. In Sport it stays in the softer/normal range. That's in a Sports Chrono equipped car of course, can't speak for a car without SC.
as a manual they all include sport chrono. And the sport package only adds $400 for SPASM over the price of PSE instead of the $1050 or so that SPASM costs otherwise.
Originally Posted by Master Deep
You can just set what you want as individual and when you get in, 3 clicks right on the wheel takes 1 second to do. No need to delve into menus.
that’s what I was hoping.
can anyone comment on the ride of the lowered SPASM in Normal suspension mode. Is it still fairly comfortable? Are you simply just in a potentially more scrape the bottom of the front spoiler territory in Normal or is it also fairly stiff compared to the PASM Normal. I assume that even with PASM the suspension can be toggled to a stiffer ride. That both PASM and SPASM have Normal and Sport settings.
as a manual they all include sport chrono. And the sport package only adds $400 for SPASM over the price of PSE instead of the $1050 or so that SPASM costs otherwise.
that’s what I was hoping.
can anyone comment on the ride of the lowered SPASM in Normal suspension mode. Is it still fairly comfortable? Are you simply just in a potentially more scrape the bottom of the front spoiler territory in Normal or is it also fairly stiff compared to the PASM Normal. I assume that even with PASM the suspension can be toggled to a stiffer ride. That both PASM and SPASM have Normal and Sport settings.
All the above is correct, but as for which to choose, For a new car it’s personal preference.
Pasm in sport is stiffer than spasm in normal, so after that it comes down to ride height and scraping bumpers.
can anyone comment on the ride of the lowered SPASM in Normal suspension mode. Is it still fairly comfortable? Are you simply just in a potentially more scrape the bottom of the front spoiler territory in Normal or is it also fairly stiff compared to the PASM Normal. I assume that even with PASM the suspension can be toggled to a stiffer ride. That both PASM and SPASM have Normal and Sport settings.
Many threads on this. Search is your friend here. Consensus seems to be that while SPASM is fine for some others find it too stiff even in normal mode, and tire pressure makes a big difference too. Search for 'comfort' tire pressures.
I've read all or at least most of this thread. I came here b/c I am getting close to my freeze point and trying to figure out PASM v SPASM. I was hoping for info on the ride, but apparently most of the convo is about wheel gap and looks. I'm in the if the wheel gap is higher but it rides better camp, so be it. Some have said the SPASM even lowered rides better at Normal mode than the PASM does in Normal mode. And that on good roads one would expect the SPASM to outperform.
Question. If you turn on Sport mode via the dial, does it turn on SPASM to Sport as well or are those separate. I imagine I may want to drive with the engine in Sport but the suspension in Normal most of the time, as our Denver roads are a bit like the surface of the moon and not so much fun for the stiffer ride.
Or can you at least configure a shortcut toggle to do a combination of things like turn on Sport, put the suspension in Normal, and turn on PSE, essentially a programmed Individual mode that you don't have to delve into the touch screen to get to each time you get in the car.
I commented earlier in this thread on ride quality/comfort of PASM vs SPASM from the perspective of an actual 992 PASM owner. In summary: Its too soft and "floaty" for a sports car. It feels more Lexus than 911. YES its incrementally more comfortable than a SPASM car but not significantly enough to justify the more isolated feel of the suspension and lets not forget that god awful wheel gap. This is based on back to back test drives of two different SPASM 992s vs my PASM 992.
Since you are getting the 3rd pedal I'm guessing you want a drivers sports car, you want to be more connected to the road and the cars mechanicals? Tick the SPASM box.
I have just ordered this exact work to be done.....SPASM springs on a PASM equipped car.....and will be done by my dealer as soon as the springs arrive. As you do, I want a slightly sportier look for the car and surprised this option wasn't available from the factory - and nobody seems to know why it wasn't. With that said, I will be sure to post a picture of it when it is done.
Update. Spasm springs fit on front NOT on rear without swapping out struts...which is crazy money SO if spending crazy money might as well get a Bilstein Evo plug and play set for 992 but not shown for a Targa or FAL and so call rep and guy i spoke says he doesn’t have FAL option...despite my telling him the European site having it shown...and he says well...that’s in Europe - basically telling me to go pound sand. Anyway I hang up and thing maybe I will go HAS and H&R just announced an offering for TTS with FAL so call and poke with H & R Representitive who says “Hmmm, I don’t see that car here but you’d think they would have developed one...let me reach out to Germany and get back to you. Would you rather I called or emailed you Monday? ”. Gosh I thought I was a customer! Anyway - know more Monday.
Both SPASM cars I test drove were significantly more jarring over bumps and uneven surfaces even in the comfort setting.
Not sure what the tire pressures were.
For perspective...my F30 sport suspension is stiffer and flatter than the suspension in the new M440i. So it’s not spongy or anything. I actually quite like it.
Thus no SPASM for me. Also didn’t seem to handle any better than the base carrera suspension during the test drives.
Both SPASM cars I test drove were significantly more jarring over bumps and uneven surfaces even in the comfort setting.
Not sure what the tire pressures were.
For perspective...my F30 sport suspension is stiffer and flatter than the suspension in the new M440i. So it’s not spongy or anything. I actually quite like it.
Thus no SPASM for me. Also didn’t seem to handle any better than the base carrera suspension during the test drives.
Good choice! Coming from a 2015 M5, I dropped spasm but added RWS and PDCC, handles like it’s on rails but deals with the road surfaces better than the M5.
The 10mm drop and front lip spoiler, I can live without.
Techart HAS kit for me was the way to go. Had PASM and car didnt feel like sports car. Now it does and looks great. Better than SPASM imo. Front was lowered 20 mm and 15 at the back. Also added the SPASM frontlip and 12/5 mm spacers.
Car is dirty because of autobahn run yesterday. Car feels good and stable at (very) high speeds, also compared to all the other 911’s inhave owned.
Last edited by Joepster75; Feb 17, 2021 at 04:49 PM.
Techart HAS kit for me was the way to go. Had PASM and car didnt feel like sports car. Now it does and looks great. Better than SPASM imo. Front was lowered 20 mm and 15 at the back. Also added the SPASM frontlip and 12/5 mm spacers.
Is this the KW HAS kit that tech art sells, or the techart lowering spring kit?
KW is the only one with an actual HAS - height adjustable spring - kit.
Both SPASM cars I test drove were significantly more jarring over bumps and uneven surfaces even in the comfort setting.
Not sure what the tire pressures were.
For perspective...my F30 sport suspension is stiffer and flatter than the suspension in the new M440i. So it’s not spongy or anything. I actually quite like it.
Thus no SPASM for me. Also didn’t seem to handle any better than the base carrera suspension during the test drives.
Originally Posted by mrmichaelsankey
Good choice! Coming from a 2015 M5, I dropped spasm but added RWS and PDCC, handles like it’s on rails but deals with the road surfaces better than the M5.
The 10mm drop and front lip spoiler, I can live without.
SPASM v PASM and the choice of wheels are my biggest outstanding decision still. I just want to be done and not overthink it.
Is this the KW HAS kit that tech art sells, or the techart lowering spring kit?
KW is the only one with an actual HAS - height adjustable spring - kit.
it’s a techart kit but i can imagine its KW’s HAS rebranded:
TECHART sport springs and height adjustable spring kits add a good dash of sportiness to your 911.
Sport springs allow a lowering of 40 mm and apply agile driving characteristics.
With a TECHART height adjustable sport springs kit, full flexibility is at your command. A wide lowering range of 15 mm to 40 mm allows customized height adjustment. The systen fits vehicles equipped with and without PASM, as well as with and without front axle lift system or Porsche Sport Chassis.
Techart HAS kit for me was the way to go. Had PASM and car didnt feel like sports car. Now it does and looks great. Better than SPASM imo. Front was lowered 20 mm and 15 at the back. Also added the SPASM frontlip and 12/5 mm spacers.
Car is dirty because of autobahn run yesterday. Car feels good and stable at (very) high speeds, also compared to all the other 911’s inhave owned.
Joepster...could you comment to the quality of the ride before and after the spring installation. Other springs I have installed on previous cars (BMW 440 and 991.1 TTS) the ride actually improved?!..and not the harshness you might think. We have a 992 Targa which only comes with PASM. The ride height you have set is perfect ...and we still want the ride to still be compliant - NOT JARRING - and that the car still enjoys the benefit of the stock Bilstein shocks that come with the car - only that it sits a little lower. I am considering the same HAS package from Techart and was going to do 25mm drop. I would appreciate you try to describe the ride - because it does look great.
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