EVO's 992 Assessment
08-15-2019, 11:49 AM
#16
Three Wheelin'
Every car company evolves. I wonder how many 911s Porsche would sell if they were producing 996 today? My 58 year old Pal is going to sell his 997 because its too mechanical/loud/uncomfortable. To each his own.
08-15-2019, 11:52 AM
#17
Race Car
Reading comprehension, like mileage, may vary.
Here is the actual EVO conclusion:
"We can’t make a definitive judgement having not driven the 992 on the road but all the signs are that Porsche has made an even better GT that retains all the 911 character of the 991 gen car, and then some.
The comfort, performance and poise have all moved on versus the 991, and steering and brake feel are superb."
Here is the actual EVO conclusion:
"We can’t make a definitive judgement having not driven the 992 on the road but all the signs are that Porsche has made an even better GT that retains all the 911 character of the 991 gen car, and then some.
The comfort, performance and poise have all moved on versus the 991, and steering and brake feel are superb."
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08-15-2019, 11:55 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
Don't believe they mention anything about driving the car on the street. So you don't like your 992? Sell it but please spare us your holier than thou attitude about everything. If a review is negative you like it, if they praise the car you say they are biased/being paid. You are ruining every thread you get into by insulting people and suggesting your opinions are facts. Try to get along.
08-15-2019, 12:02 PM
#19
Don't believe they mention anything about driving the car on the street. So you don't like your 992? Sell it but please spare us your holier than thou attitude about everything. If a review is negative you like it, if they praise the car you say they are biased/being paid. You are ruining every thread you get into by insulting people and suggesting your opinions are facts. Try to get along.
I could care less about these reviews good or bad but if your going to single me out as a bad guy why don't you at least be open to the FACT that there are MANY of us (including journalists who aren't afraid of the truth) who dislike the 992, many of whom remain mostly silent on these boards to avoid conflicts just like this one.
08-15-2019, 12:28 PM
#20
Interesting feedback coming from the instigator who challenges every comment I post rather than just leaving it be for those who do agree.
I could care less about these reviews good or bad but if your going to single me out as a bad guy why don't you at least be open to the FACT that there are MANY of us (including journalists who aren't afraid of the truth) who dislike the 992, many of whom remain mostly silent on these boards to avoid conflicts just like this one.
I could care less about these reviews good or bad but if your going to single me out as a bad guy why don't you at least be open to the FACT that there are MANY of us (including journalists who aren't afraid of the truth) who dislike the 992, many of whom remain mostly silent on these boards to avoid conflicts just like this one.
First they give you their romantic association with the brand and tell you all about how and why they grew up wanting a 911 or some experience with one of the 30 they've owned.
Then they tell you about how there's debates like this with every generation and your opinion is more of the same gibberish.
Next they go on about how much faster the new car is and how Porsche always moves the bar forward.
Further they counter with your lack of experience or the reasons why their opinion is more valid than yours.
Finally they finish by personally attacking you and reporting your innocuous comment.
Don't believe they mention anything about driving the car on the street. So you don't like your 992? Sell it but please spare us your holier than thou attitude about everything. If a review is negative you like it, if they praise the car you say they are biased/being paid. You are ruining every thread you get into by insulting people and suggesting your opinions are facts. Try to get along.
That's some great advice you gave him. Ever think about using it yourself?
08-15-2019, 12:31 PM
#21
I agree with you but what you might find odd coming from someone in their mid 30's is that while I obviously dislike the 992 and what it represents for the brand ( and car industry as a whole) I still maintain that the 996,997 gen cars still strongly represented the 911 concept and were worthy a evolution that still held rather tightly to the core principals of Ferry and Butzi and what a sports car meant to Porsche.
The 992 is a mishmash of too many things for too many people which completely compromises the 911's position with trendy style , needless tech overload and change for the mere sake of change.
This doesn't seem to bother those newer to the brand for obvious reasons and I suppose we can't or shouldn't change their minds but what I find curious is why they are so willing to defend the 992 when thier experience with the brand has been limited in many cases to only the last generation.
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08-15-2019, 01:38 PM
#23
That is the most negative review of a 911 I have ever seen. Car really seems a huge step back. And realize EVO is one of Porsches biggest fans!!
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08-15-2019, 01:44 PM
#24
No worries. Glad we could move you away from the Cayman and toward a GT car. As a fellow member of Rennlist I care about your pocketbook as much as my own. Which one did you end up choosing?
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08-15-2019, 02:16 PM
#26
Three Wheelin'
08-15-2019, 02:29 PM
#27
Well...you know what they say about hypocrites 
Just remember which one of the two of us started listing names in their posts 
As to your "elitism" nonsense - seems like if you can afford a 992 Targa you can afford a GT car. So if your own posts are to be believed and you aren't just a dreamer there's nothing elitist about my comments. In another thread today I comment on what a great buy a 987.2 is.
Stop pretending you're some sort of victim here buddy.
Just remember which one of the two of us started listing names in their posts As to your "elitism" nonsense - seems like if you can afford a 992 Targa you can afford a GT car. So if your own posts are to be believed and you aren't just a dreamer there's nothing elitist about my comments. In another thread today I comment on what a great buy a 987.2 is.
Stop pretending you're some sort of victim here buddy.
08-15-2019, 02:31 PM
#28
The car being inferior is why I'm not buying one. The car isn't inferior because I'm not buying one. Correlation does not imply causation. The fact that it will probably depreciate significantly is one of many reasons why I believe it's inferior. EVO showed you some of the others.
We've got 20 years of historical evidence and Porsche pricing to look at that demonstrate the 992 is likely to take a huge depreciation hit - possibly bigger than any model before it. If you've got any evidence showing otherwise I'd love to see it.
Don't believe me? Ask Porsche Financial then. The numbers I saw showed a 59% residual on a 36/mo 10k/yr lease AND they want 7% interest to cover that.
We've got 20 years of historical evidence and Porsche pricing to look at that demonstrate the 992 is likely to take a huge depreciation hit - possibly bigger than any model before it. If you've got any evidence showing otherwise I'd love to see it.
Don't believe me? Ask Porsche Financial then. The numbers I saw showed a 59% residual on a 36/mo 10k/yr lease AND they want 7% interest to cover that.
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08-15-2019, 02:46 PM
#29
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All this emotion about the 992. Amazing. FWIW I suspect some people want a more luxurious 911 while not giving up the performance the brand is known for. For all the guys who hype the GT cars - good for you. I have a 2019 GT3RS, I have had the 2004 GT3 2007 RS, the 2010 RS and the 2016 RS. They are strictly track cars. As a daily driver they are awful. Too loud, and too stiff unless you're fortunate enough to live where the roads are like a billiard table. Rather than dump all over the 992, please consider that some people want a more comfortable high performance road car. They are probably the majority. So like the GT cars - I don't blame you - they are superb track cars but leave room for the folks who are not demon track mavens.
Regards,
Regards,
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08-15-2019, 02:51 PM
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All this emotion about the 992. Amazing. FWIW I suspect some people want a more luxurious 911 while not giving up the performance the brand is known for. For all the guys who hype the GT cars - good for you. I have a 2019 GT3RS, I have had the 2004 GT3 2007 RS, the 2010 RS and the 2016 RS. They are strictly track cars. As a daily driver they are awful. Too loud, and too stiff unless you're fortunate enough to live where the roads are like a billiard table. Rather than dump all over the 992, please consider that some people want a more comfortable high performance road car. They are probably the majority. So like the GT cars - I don't blame you - they are superb track cars but leave room for the folks who are not demon track mavens.
Regards,
Regards,
You're trying to argue with facts and rational points? On an internet forum? That's discussing a new generation of a model? With a majority of the posts made by posters who bought and own the prior generation of the same model?