Most Absurd Logic: Someone talk to Porsche about this
11-30-2018, 05:24 PM
#61
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11-30-2018, 05:43 PM
#62
Burning Brakes
You hit the nail on the head. Companies don't design products for the stagnant US market anymore, where prime buyers (millennials) are too squeezed by student loans and housing costs. If you want to know why the car is so seemingly illogically designed, it is because it was designed to appeal to the asian market. None of the executives and marketing people at Porsche care what you people in the USA think about the car.
Cunning design !
11-30-2018, 05:50 PM
#63
Burning Brakes
This is the most hysterical thread I have read. Park brakes are triggered by pulling up. And who the **** drinks coffee in a 911. Is this the car you drive to the McDonald's for a sausage McMuffin and a cup of Joe?
The only way to accidentally trigger the parking brake is if the elderly gentleman were to be fondling his coffee cup to keep his bony hands warm. Then perchance his cuff links might catch on the park brake button and lift it enough to put it into emergency park brake mode.
Seriously if this happens to you, you're too old to be driving.
For the rest of us this is a much more convenient location for a park brake. It's easier to reach. And also BMW and Audi both put their park brake buttons in the exact same position.
I do agree it would have been much smarter to put the P button on the shifter. That is bad design as is the entire shifter/shaver concept. But it's a minor thing compared with how much is improved.
The only way to accidentally trigger the parking brake is if the elderly gentleman were to be fondling his coffee cup to keep his bony hands warm. Then perchance his cuff links might catch on the park brake button and lift it enough to put it into emergency park brake mode.
Seriously if this happens to you, you're too old to be driving.
For the rest of us this is a much more convenient location for a park brake. It's easier to reach. And also BMW and Audi both put their park brake buttons in the exact same position.
I do agree it would have been much smarter to put the P button on the shifter. That is bad design as is the entire shifter/shaver concept. But it's a minor thing compared with how much is improved.
While driving, my not so bony hands sometimes are cold sweaty (at least palms are
). And I do not mind using the shaver, assuming it works. My problem is they put it in awkward place for me to lean down and reach it while shaving. You might guess I have an aging back with disk issues
11-30-2018, 05:54 PM
#64
Burning Brakes
Not if you delicately, yet vigorously, use your thumb and forefinger. Moving your finger and thumb with lightning speed. Think of it like using a Madeleine cookie, made of black plastic to win Le Mans.
12-01-2018, 06:27 AM
#65
Rennlist Member
Not too sure I'd prefer that. Have driven my share of cars that had these and for most cases of track driving it's far more difficult to shift as you need to take your hand off the wheel to find the paddle. In fast revving cars like the Huracan Performante especially I regularly banged into the limiter before I found the paddle. Porsche's solution was better before they gimped it.
12-01-2018, 09:07 AM
#66
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This thread is cracking me up. The concept is not that hard if you've driven or explored the latest Panamera.
My current 991.2 PDK; pull in the garage, move the PDK shifter to "P" for Park. Get out of car and that's it.
992 PDK (if I get one); pull in the garage, press "P" for park. Get out of car and that's it. Just like the Panamera.
There is no need for the electric hand brake unless you're on a hill or other scenario in which case you feel the need to have that extra security.
Obviously, this is different for manual cars:-)
My current 991.2 PDK; pull in the garage, move the PDK shifter to "P" for Park. Get out of car and that's it.
992 PDK (if I get one); pull in the garage, press "P" for park. Get out of car and that's it. Just like the Panamera.
There is no need for the electric hand brake unless you're on a hill or other scenario in which case you feel the need to have that extra security.
Obviously, this is different for manual cars:-)
12-01-2018, 11:36 AM
#67
Not too sure I'd prefer that. Have driven my share of cars that had these and for most cases of track driving it's far more difficult to shift as you need to take your hand off the wheel to find the paddle. In fast revving cars like the Huracan Performante especially I regularly banged into the limiter before I found the paddle. Porsche's solution was better before they gimped it.
12-01-2018, 12:31 PM
#68
Rennlist Member
Well even if they made them cover 180 degrees on each side of the steering wheel (which nobody has ever implemented) you are still out of luck as soon as you turn the wheel more than a quarter or a turn. Which is a frequent sitution when you press on in a track environment.
12-01-2018, 03:51 PM
#69
Use the PDK stick all the time for all the above stated reasons,....and NEVER drive in automatic (don't see the friggin point). I have a feeling that many drivers that don't use the stick are actually those that do drive in auto a lot,....and just use the paddles occasionally. In fact I don't see how anyone can really drive these cars in a true sporting nature without the stick,...coming out of a decent turn I don't want to reach awkwardly for a paddle,....when the stick is right there to bang it into the next gear. (one of the reasons I also still love the "thumbers" in my GTS,....they are always right there,...never move)
12-01-2018, 04:06 PM
#70
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Use the PDK stick all the time for all the above stated reasons,....and NEVER drive in automatic (don't see the friggin point). I have a feeling that many drivers that don't use the stick are actually those that do drive in auto a lot,....and just use the paddles occasionally. In fact I don't see how anyone can really drive these cars in a true sporting nature without the stick,...coming out of a decent turn I don't want to reach awkwardly for a paddle,....when the stick is right there to bang it into the next gear. (one of the reasons I also still love the "thumbers" in my GTS,....they are always right there,...never move)
They f***ed that up in my '17 Macan GTS, it's still push up to upshift. THAT is why when I put it in manual mode I use the paddles,but if it pulled back upshifted I would probably use the stick more. I think it's a travesty that they aren't giving buyers the option of stick or paddles, but rather a fugly razor nub.
12-01-2018, 08:57 PM
#71
Burning Brakes
The end.
12-01-2018, 10:43 PM
#72
Epic fail on the 3rd brake light.
I have NO idea why this has suddenly become the source of a prominent design feature.
Why is it not simply hidden in between the engine cover slats with either a clear or smoked lens???
12-02-2018, 03:26 AM
#73
Rennlist Member
This is the most hysterical thread I have read. Park brakes are triggered by pulling up. And who the **** drinks coffee in a 911. Is this the car you drive to the McDonald's for a sausage McMuffin and a cup of Joe?
I do agree it would have been much smarter to put the P button on the shifter. That is bad design as is the entire shifter/shaver concept. But it's a minor thing compared with how much is improved.
I do agree it would have been much smarter to put the P button on the shifter. That is bad design as is the entire shifter/shaver concept. But it's a minor thing compared with how much is improved.
I'm not worried about the parking brake location. I agree there are/were other places to locate it that would be better; it's just an electric switch, after all. Personally, I liked where it was on my Boxster, on the left kick panel, where a proper parking brake belongs (unless it's a true hand brake).
The whole reason they went to the 3.0 liter engine was for the Chinese market. Now the center console nubbin clearly is for the Chinese market. ha ha Hmmm...but they hold the reveal in Los Angeles.
The door sills are tacky with the label...liked the old one better. Need to improve that.
FIX THE NUBBIN - I shift with my PDK lever all the time in my Turbo.
The door sills are tacky with the label...liked the old one better. Need to improve that.
FIX THE NUBBIN - I shift with my PDK lever all the time in my Turbo.
Let park? How do i "let park" in this without pressing one of the two P buttons?
My thing is if they are gonna take out the shifter they might as well have gone all the way and taken the whole thing out, and give some space back in the center column area like mercedes. But i guess they were also constrained by the need to leave space there for the manual cars.
compromising the design to encompass two very distinct use cases, the single best way to sacrifice quality
My thing is if they are gonna take out the shifter they might as well have gone all the way and taken the whole thing out, and give some space back in the center column area like mercedes. But i guess they were also constrained by the need to leave space there for the manual cars.
compromising the design to encompass two very distinct use cases, the single best way to sacrifice quality
I agree it does seem that the design of that center console kept the MT configuration in mind.
As redroute's render shows, they could have put the parking brake switch closer to the nubbin, but he's also right that it wouldn't fit well with the future MT, so had to be somewhere else.
Not too sure I'd prefer that. Have driven my share of cars that had these and for most cases of track driving it's far more difficult to shift as you need to take your hand off the wheel to find the paddle. In fast revving cars like the Huracan Performante especially I regularly banged into the limiter before I found the paddle. Porsche's solution was better before they gimped it.
Be careful what you wish for....
Use the PDK stick all the time for all the above stated reasons,....and NEVER drive in automatic (don't see the friggin point). I have a feeling that many drivers that don't use the stick are actually those that do drive in auto a lot,....and just use the paddles occasionally. In fact I don't see how anyone can really drive these cars in a true sporting nature without the stick,...coming out of a decent turn I don't want to reach awkwardly for a paddle,....when the stick is right there to bang it into the next gear. (one of the reasons I also still love the "thumbers" in my GTS,....they are always right there,...never move)
Some would argue that you can't drive these cars in a true sporting nature with an automatic. And yes, even in the M mode, it's an automatic. Coming out of a descent turn, you should be in Sport or Sport+ and let the thing shift for you; you'll get better performance and better lap times.
Even with the "thumbers" (and I agree, they are always right there; see above), I keep coming back to the question of why you would spend an extra $3 grand+ for something and then disable it?? And make yourself slower.
Last edited by skiahh; 12-02-2018 at 03:52 AM.
12-02-2018, 04:33 AM
#74
Instructor
Racing cars have the paddles fixed to the wheel, and to me that’s the reference for a “proper sports car”. I can’t really imagine how one can be in a situation where the car is in the middle of a turn, having to shift gears, and the hands are not placed properly. Downshifting happens before turn-in, especially if the turn is tight, and upshifting is done while straightening the wheel.
12-02-2018, 05:10 AM
#75
Burning Brakes
Mmm. Fascinating. I enjoyed the part about your “CD”. Gave me chills. I assume that’s some form of truck ? That was an extremely long and opinionated post from someone who’s never owned a 911, and has a garage full of SUVs.
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