sensei_tts

i personally don't care about the 992.2 in terms of purchase. will watch from the sidelines.

Engro

how does it work placing deposit on a car not even released. I am also on list for 992.2 at dealer but I have just written agreement with no deposit. I am used to when a car is released then I place a deposit for x amount of time for delivery

Deven

That is a Porsche problem because they insist on using the 7 speed transmission (and then reverse engineer the dual clutch to single clutch and then do creative linkage to make the gear sequencing correct). The 997 GT2 RS with six speed manual was rated at 620 HP and 516 lb-ft torque. That car came out almost 14 years ago (so it can be done).

Only Porsche can detune a car and then charge a premium and get away with it, though probably it is done because of the reputation of the 997 GT2 (aka widowmaker) and the associated liability.

CanAutM3

I am not saying any manual transmission cannot take the torque, I can think of quite a few manual transmission application with far greater torque ratings (the Dodge Viper comes to mind with 600lb-ft). I am just saying that the currently used 7MT is the limiting factor.

Pb Pedis

I don’t care anymore if it’s hybrid or not. It will be the newest 911 Turbo S and I trust Porsche to ensure that means it will be amazing. My guess the sticker will be $370K for the options I will want in the build.

The deposit is to hold my imaginary place in a line controlled by someone else for the right to buy a car I know nothing about. How many more assurances does anyone really need?

tomshop

It really depends on the dealer. Mine has always been honorable and allowed me to get on line before a car is released. My dealer will call me when they get an allocation. I imagine other dealers don’t take the list as seriously and allow certain special customers to jump the line.

ipse dixit

Any dealer taking a deposit on a car that does not yet exist (i.e. 992.2 911) is basically stealing your money.

And anyone putting down a deposit on a car that does yet exist probably also will buy last week's losing lottery tickets as well.

Angryinch

For a guy that posts as much as you, you’d think you’d know what the hell you’re talking about. So much wisdom, but really not any wisdom.

I have a 1K deposit on a .2 GT3T, is the dealer stealing my money too? These lists and demand start well before some of these cars even exist.

silversurfer6

Regarding the turbo (non s) model:

1) It is certainly coming. We have double confirmation but honestly we did not needed a second one based on my info.

2) Base on my info I got the impression this was the standard production turbo but since I have not condirmed this there is a certainty the posaibility to be a numbered car.

3) Based on my notes this is not a hybrid car but again I have nor confirmed it since it s 2WD car which is not for me.

Again one thing is certain: Car is coming, people here know the answer to the questions so more info soon.

silversurfer6

Turbo S hybrid is 400V hybrid tech using twin Bogn Wagner turbos.

State of the art in my opinion especially if the integration is perfect and we get NA ljnear response.

silversurfer6

In Europe thinks are different. Let’s say you are any type of customer. A 10-20% deposit is the only way to express your jntwrest for the car and get in the list - and in Europe you will get a normal prod car without ADM, same for GT but without the hugh chance of getting the car.

I am actually surprised by the US system. How can any dealer take seriously any new or medium custumer - i.e not one of his best customers - if he does not commit to a serious deposit? A serious deposit I think makes your statement of wanting the car more formal, give you a more solid position in the list and surely will help an hinesg dealer keep you are position in the list and give you the car.

I would love to understand why most US people thinks deposit should not be given and it has nothing to do with the probability of getting a car.

ipse dixit

The problem with dealers (at least in the US) taking deposits, be it for a production model or an upcoming unicorn, is that those deposits and "lists" are just like your daily horoscopes. For entertainment purposes only.

Because even if you (not "you" specifically but you generically) are No. 1 on some list based on a deposit of some sort, if a big whale walks in and says to the dealer in question, "I want your next 992.2 Turbo S allocation" and lays down the proverbial blank check, your No. 1 slot suddenly becomes No. 2.

Pathy

Will this give you the option to plug-in at a charging station like the 918?

What is your estimate for the MSRP on this beast?

Pathy

Even if the 992.2 is significantly better, the 992.1 TT/TTS will remain an absolutely excellent car... I hope that the 992.2 dominance it will enable some people to get into a great second-hand 992.1 for less money than now!

Just like, as amazing as the 992 TTS has been, a 991 TTS is still hell of a lot of car for much less money.

Amir1

In the U.S. its a free market. Dealers can charge as much as they want. So they tend to charge as much as they think they can get. There are obviously some exceptions where certain people (the dealers best customers for example) might only pay MSRP and might get bumped to the front of the line. As to deposits, it varies by State. In California for example, consumer laws are such that once the car arrives, if the buyer doesn't like the car then the dealer has to refund 100% of the deposit no questions asked. Thus those dealers might not want to accept an order for a very weird color combo, since the buyer can walk away in the last minute and the dealer gets stuck with it. In other states, laws regarding deposits are different.