I was offered a 4.0 configurable allocation at msrp unsolicited by the dealer. When I (stupidly) declined, the dealer couldn't find another buyer so they traded the allocation for a Turbo.

 

Wow, such a different time. I took my allocation, but sold it way too early. Such a fun car. Took it on long backroad trips, Willow Springs, etc. Bought another one in 2015, drove it some, then sold it too early. But really I just like to drive them. For returns there are far better options.

 

I should have said manual GT3. I never considered buying the 991.1.
Took inside of two minutes to find an ADM thread from May 2007...
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...cing-used.html

 

I guess some of us have been doing stupid things for longer than I realized. I never paid an ADM until Covid, and have tried to keep them to relatively low amounts. But ever since covid, the dealer seems to have forgotten those who are long term customers in favor of any guy who's willing to pay more.

Any way, with what you found it seems that the market can go from boom (997.1 before the worst of the GFC hit) to bust (997.2 in 2010-11) pretty quickly.

As for where it goes next, this is all I've got:

 

Seems ridiculous, but in 2005 I tried to buy a 996 Turbo S. I couldn't get one for less than 50k over (ADM) when they were first released.. I ended up buying my lowly 993 Turbo S for less than half what I would have paid for a 996 Turbo S.

 

whoa! 50k over in 2005 is crazy. Thanks for sharing.

 

That was from a flipper. No dealer I talked to had one availble because the were initially all pre-sold. In the NYTimes, I remember one offered for 250k.

Guys who got into this in 2010 might think it is all new, but even back in the 1970s, I remember going to the dealer with my older cousion who wanted a 924 and couldn't just walk in and buy one at list. I don't think there was an ADM, but they were not immediately available at MSRP.

RL is all like "back in the day it was all about the driving". No, it was always a bunch of rich guys. The richness has gone up, but it is the same story. Back in the day, you were younger and young guys drive and beat up their cars more. Older guys buy newer, drive less, own more cars, and outbid the young drivers. It has been that way for the 40+ years I've been watching.

 

Anyone know when was the last year(s) you would have been able to walk into a dealership and buy a GT or Turbo car at MSRP?

Yeah..50k ADM in 2005 is crazy!

 

2009-2010 - -GT cars - -sat for long times. I had my pick of 30 997.2 gt3 in inventory across the couhtry. Bought a black one from Manhattan motor cars for roughly 6k off msrp.

 

Not sure if it's helpful data, but I just picked up 992.2 GT3 winged w/ a manual on Sat. There were 2 other couples there looking at it, and I know of 1-2 others that were supposed to have come by on Sunday. I have no idea if any of them would've moved on it, but I've seldom seen this type on interest at the same time (in person). I've bought quite a few vehicles from my dealer, and currently have a 2024 Macan GTS, 2022 Cayenne Turbo GT, and have a replacement 2026 Cayenne Turbo GT that'll be here next month (it's on the boat). They received an unexpected allocation for this GT3 that just showed up (they didn't order or spec it). I received a text last week from the sales rep asking if I wanted it (I have expressed a lot of interest in the GT3RS), and went over on Wed to look at it. I said I wanted to drive it Sat (as it was in the showroom), and I'd look at buying it then. I drove it Sat, and was sold. I was charged $20k in ADM. Before pulling the trigger, I called around, and couldn't find ADM that wasn't quoted below $50k. Whether or not they'd have held to that, I don't know, but I got the impression one of them would've come down a bit.

The MSRP was ~$320k and well spec'd (my dealer thought it was originally ordered as a demo/show unit, but weren't sure). And $323,670 with misc fees (gas guzzler, delivery, etc). After the ADM + taxes (nearly 10%), and some other misc items, it was just under $400k. At this point, I have little regrets. But who knows what I'll think in a few years. I also looked at this as a path to trade this into my dealer on an RS, or something else of more value down the line. No idea of that'll ever happen, but I know it improves my odds.

 

Great deal. Especially with high MSRP like that. Sounds like a WP PCCB Mag wheels build? Could have been a press vehicle? The dealer I bought from had a press Spyder RS.

 

That is the best deal I've heard of recently. I thought I did well at 32.5K! You are also probably right about its value as a future trade in. I've managed to do ok in this age of ADMs with decent trade-in values. With a little luck I might break even.

The trade-in strategy will probably hold up until the next time the economy tanks. At that point, who knows, maybe we get discounts again if we are still in the game.

Just for fun... I remember two other periods of ADMs. In the early 70s you had to pay an ADM for a 240Z. Then in the mid 80s all the Honda dealers were getting ADMs. Crazy times.

Buy em, drive em, and try not to worry about it. Because, as a certain comedian says, you can't drive money!

 

this is true with Honda. my 2000 acura integra type-r had a $2500 adm back then, which would be ~ $8K in today’s dollars.

i think any car that is limited or in high demand and the owner of the dealer does not strictly prohibit this all try and squeeze as much out of you as they can.

there are several porsche owner group here in the states that do not charge adm as a matter of policy for new vehicles. but the wait is long at these dealerships and with the younger generation getting into this market, many with little to no patience, go and seek out the lowest adm.

to each their own.

 

I think ADMs have been around forever and won't ever go away for different cars/models. Don't forget the Honda S2000 with a 32k MSRP, dealers were asking for 50k+.

 

i had an s2000 as well. i was able to get that at msrp oddly enough.

after i got into 911s it is so hard to find a proper fwd car that is fun to drive. the natural oversteer of porsche has ruined me.