Originally Posted by gulfblu

this is my last comment on the marketplace of Porsche 911s. I do not think brokers make the market more efficient, I think they create price distortion. the reason i am commenting i regret not buying a gt3 touring in 2019, i didn't have the garage space with kids at home, but i plan on buying a 992.2 991s unless a surprise MY 25 gt3 touring allocations shows up. This perception of future high ADMs is based on the fact the 911 has been in a classic bubble since covid slow down. Every bubble has two components:

1. An underlying trend that prevails in reality and;
2. A misconception relating to that trend.

“When positive feedback develops between the trend and the misconception, a boom-bust process gets set into motion. The process is liable to be tested by negative feedback along the way, and if it is strong enough to survive these tests, both the trend and the misconception get reinforced. Eventually, market expectations become so far removed from reality that people get forced to recognize that a misconception is involved. A twilight period ensues during which doubts grow, and more people lose faith, but the prevailing trend gets sustained by inertia.” – George Soros
This isn't a macro economic comment, on the everything bubble will pop. This is directed towards the porsche 911 market. road and track posted this article yesterday,

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a6...ruck-purchase/

at the end of the article "Standing ovation for both Brown and his financial adviser for refusing to be fleeced"~ no one is sane here on rennlist about paying 100k ADM is equal to being fleeced. In the future my guess is reality will wake up. My last post until i buy a new 911. Thanks

Originally Posted by gulfblu

this is my last comment on the marketplace of Porsche 911s. I do not think brokers make the market more efficient, I think they create price distortion. the reason i am commenting i regret not buying a gt3 touring in 2019, i didn't have the garage space with kids at home, but i plan on buying a 992.2 991s unless a surprise MY 25 gt3 touring allocations shows up. This perception of future high ADMs is based on the fact the 911 has been in a classic bubble since covid slow down. Every bubble has two components:

1. An underlying trend that prevails in reality and;
2. A misconception relating to that trend.

“When positive feedback develops between the trend and the misconception, a boom-bust process gets set into motion. The process is liable to be tested by negative feedback along the way, and if it is strong enough to survive these tests, both the trend and the misconception get reinforced. Eventually, market expectations become so far removed from reality that people get forced to recognize that a misconception is involved. A twilight period ensues during which doubts grow, and more people lose faith, but the prevailing trend gets sustained by inertia.” – George Soros
This isn't a macro economic comment, on the everything bubble will pop. This is directed towards the porsche 911 market. road and track posted this article yesterday,

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a6...ruck-purchase/

at the end of the article "Standing ovation for both Brown and his financial adviser for refusing to be fleeced"~ no one is sane here on rennlist about paying 100k ADM is equal to being fleeced. In the future my guess is reality will wake up. My last post until i buy a new 911. Thanks

Originally Posted by Manifold

You're right about the misconception part, and I think that RL in general contributes to that misconception. There's a TON of rationalization for paying high ADM on RL, and the guys that talk about getting the cars at MSRP tend to get tarred and feathered. No one likes hearing that others got a better deal or they may have overpaid.

Originally Posted by Diablo Dude

It's funny how the guys that claim to have access to GT cars at MSRP are the one's who weren't offered a 3RS allocation even though they claim to have an incredible relationship with their dealer. That speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by gulfblu

this is my last comment on the marketplace of Porsche 911s. I do not think brokers make the market more efficient, I think they create price distortion. the reason i am commenting i regret not buying a gt3 touring in 2019, i didn't have the garage space with kids at home, but i plan on buying a 992.2 991s unless a surprise MY 25 gt3 touring allocations shows up. This perception of future high ADMs is based on the fact the 911 has been in a classic bubble since covid slow down. Every bubble has two components:

1. An underlying trend that prevails in reality and;
2. A misconception relating to that trend.

This isn't a macro economic comment, on the everything bubble will pop. This is directed towards the porsche 911 market. road and track posted this article yesterday,

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a6...ruck-purchase/

at the end of the article "Standing ovation for both Brown and his financial adviser for refusing to be fleeced"~ no one is sane here on rennlist about paying 100k ADM is equal to being fleeced. In the future my guess is reality will wake up. My last post until i buy a new 911. Thanks

Originally Posted by gulfblu

I got the call at the end of Dec that my allocation @ MSRP came in for 24 C2S, build lock in Jan, April delivery. the SA told me i could get my manual transmission and the heritage interior package( though I've read on here it was on stop hold in jan) but no PTS, i really wanted gulfblue so i was still excited but had a reservation. I told my "loving one" AKA my wife my allocation came in, she said great get the car ( and she actually preferred gentian blue over gulf blue), but she said "I am going to give exactly the cost you spend on the car to charity, feed the hungry stuff, it's only fair". I called the SA back and told him i need until after the new year to process, he said no worries. I eventually passed on the car telling him i wanted the 992.2 with the color i wanted. I shared PTS colors with my wife and she preferred the green shades over blue. i think i am going to get a green 911c2s for the loving one and myself. I didn't want to part with 180K times 2 or 360kish and not get the exact car color i wanted. The SA told me he would call me in 6 to 9 months when the allocations come out for 992.2. I got 2016 gt4 and a 2006 997 c4s cab to drive and enjoy in the meanwhile, but only spring to fall driving for me due to living in winter climates,

The world would better if all of wives or husbands( the loving ones) told us "no worries buy the car, but i am giving equally to charity"

Originally Posted by Diablo Dude

It's funny how the guys that claim to have access to GT cars at MSRP are the one's who weren't offered a 3RS allocation even though they claim to have an incredible relationship with their dealer. That speaks volumes.

Originally Posted by Manifold

It's not necessarily a question of being offered an allocation. I told my dealer the order of my priorities, with GT3 and 4RS being at the top, and those are the two I got. At an MSRP dealer, few or no people aside from VIPs can likely get an allocation for every GT car because there aren't enough allocations to around for all of the top customers. The dealers try to give the top customers most of what they want, if not all of it. That seems reasonable and fair to me.

Originally Posted by RG88

Gotta say, I've been frequenting the F-Chat forums and there is virtually no discernible dick size measuring tournament going on there.

Originally Posted by Diablo Dude

I'm not talking about you and your priorities.

I'm talking about the people here that have repeatedly "bragged" about getting their GT cars at MSRP because they have a wonderful relationship ... blah, blah, blah.... with an MSRP dealer.
But when it comes time for the 3RS allocation at MSRP it's no bueno.
Amazing how that happens even at an MSRP dealer.

Originally Posted by Manifold

No point measuring when everyone has a big one. With Porsches, buyers range from middle class to very rich.

Originally Posted by RG88

you might be surprised about the demographic there. that's what I thought too before I got to know the community there albeit just online for now.

Originally Posted by Manifold

Tell us more.