usctrojanGT3

Sorry to hear that, I'm assuming it's the Reno dealer right? Unfortunately more and more dealers are turning to the ADM dark side.

sparkhill

The selling dealer was in Northern California, and it turned out relatively OK for my GT3. The Reno dealer is small and simply does not get many allocations, but has a great service department.

Breen

to answer your question directly - do not tell them of course. You kept your drivers license right? Just tag the car. It’s none of their business

I’m confused. Did you spec your car and place the order or not? Cuz production on GT3 is done…

David Hasselhoff

Thanks for responding - helpful, and definitely a path to consider. I have a signed order with deposit and agreed ADM and an order number for whatever that is worth. Waiting for build slot. I am aware of all of the uncertainties relating to that status and not asking about that here. As for production, I hear both that they are trickling in and that they are done. I would still be in the same position for the .2 and am fine waiting (also not asking anyone to spend time expounding on that here).

David Hasselhoff

Interesting, thank you for responding.

Breen

got it - and I understand your question, just want to help clarify. Two things are certain - 1) You do not have a build slot and the signature is not legally binding anything, so it’s immaterial to your quest. The order number is literally indicative of nothing. 2) GT3 production is 100% done, any new cars you see being delivered will have been locked in long ago. This is not controversial info and anyone on RL saying ptherwise is misleading you. Check @C.J. Ichiban posts for more info.

You’ll definitely be waiting until gen 2 and I think this is actionable information related to your original question. Based on what you’re saying, this dealer is not being honest with you and would stand to reason they have no intention of getting you a car. With this in mind, it doesn’t matter where you live.

not trying to disparage or offer any bias on whether its right or wrong, but those are the facts. Encourage you to go the used route, around MSRP is findable with low miles. Otherwise, call some other dealers and see where they’re at for real order slots on the gen 2.

av12345

I agree with most of what you say but it’s not entirely true that GT3 production is 100% done. There have been a few allocations that have dropped recently because of issues with ST or 3RS production (I know because I am one of the people that got such an allocation for my 2nd GT3T). But yes they are few and far between - I just wouldn’t be surprised if we see a few more over the next few months.

I think OP’s dealer sounds awful (IMHO) but some people don’t seem to mind that sort of treatment - for example some people have been on the “list” since 991.1 and seem ok with it?

Breen

you and I both know that doesn’t apply to this situation

David Hasselhoff

Thanks Breen. On 1, yes I'm aware that a signed order isn't enforceable, and the couple horror stories on here make it clear you're not safe until the keys are in hand. I disagree that it's immaterial because that is (roughly) the order in which build slots are being allocated. I am generally aware when and why they have deviated from that. But I'm not asking anyone to spend time weighing in on that. I can calibrate and manage that uncertainty myself. On 2, I think that's probably right but I'm not at 100% yet because still hearing mixed messages. Also not asking for anyone to opine on that. My spot would remain in place for the .2.

On dealer veracity which I'm also not asking for anyone to spend time on, I generally agree with you and assume there is a high probability that my dealer is not being completely honest with me, that your dealer is not being completely honest with you, that everyone else's dealer... I also have no reason to believe a NY dealer would be different (would actually be surprised if they're not worse). I'm not on a quixotic quest for an honest car dealer. That said, there's nothing they've represented to me that I can point to that is demonstrably false. Everyone spiraling here in the comments telling me I don't have an enforceable order is hallucinating that I said I did, or that the dealer said I did (they did not). But again, not asking anyone to spend time on this. I can calibrate that risk myself. But I do sincerely appreciate the useful feedback including from CJ about the likely dealer reaction, and your suggestion to just register the car.

As for the used market, would rather not go there at these prices and am not happy with Porsche's ridiculously low production volume. I'm sure they're excited about the exclusivity, unit margins and their SUV lineup but it's damaging to the brand in my view to see them go down the road to doucheville where you might as well buy a Ferrari. I still might bite at the perfect manual-bucket Touring though...

av12345

I think you are missing the point. If you had a great relationship with your dealer they would still sell you the car even with you moving to NY. If you don’t, which it sounds like you don’t because you’ve been stuck in the same spot for a while which makes me think they keep passing you, they probably won’t sell it to you with you moving to NY. These things are intertwined unfortunately which is why people keep mentioning those points.

The fortunate thing is - if you want the car badly enough and it’s worth it to you (which it might not be) you could just jump in a different line and offer a bit more money and thus skip the line. We all pay some sort of ADM one way or the other - could be cash up front, could be trades back at a discount / below market value, could be purchasing 100 taycans, etc.

Breen

this is like heroin addict level denial

ipse dixit

No, it's meth level.

wageslave

A 'long time reader' comes to an enthusiast forum for help but doesn't want to listen.

Listen man, I feel for you as a fellow CA resident. 18 months ago my local SA told me even with a hefty market rate ADM (40-60k), I would be waiting a year or two for delivery. I didn't take him seriously — thought that would change after I bought a Cayenne GTS (which runs about double the msrp of the many base Cayennes they sell). Well, even getting that SUV slot was difficult and I had to go to another dealer. And after that purchase, I made it clear I wanted a GT3 and they (GM and SA), again, very honestly, told me to get one where I could, all but told me they would not be able to help. Again I didn't listen carefully, thought I could wait it out. Stayed in contact with my SA, at some point mentioned taking a used one out for a spin since I had never even driven a 911 and was flat out told 'no GT car test drives'. I started to wake up — I'm not a baller, I'm a wageslave, I'm inconsequential, I'm small, no one cares ... everything life had already beaten into me but I had somehow forgotten because I thought I was hot shiz because I could park a half million in my two car garage.

In the end, not only did I have to pay the same market rate 50k ADM, I had to pay 5k to a broker, and the icing was that the base price went up 20k in those 18 months.

I would only admit all the above on an anonymous forum. I'm a sucker and a loser and I got fleeced.

Just a cautionary tale.

Good luck in getting your 992.2.

CamsPorsche

Look, you are really no different than myself or others who are aspiring to get into the GT3 or already have; the fact you obtained one is great! My SA is working with me to build that relationship and it just takes time (close friend of mine is very tight with my SA). I suppose unless you are a massive baller or unless you've played the market games (Here take two Cayenne GTs then we'll consider it) I think paying a ADM to get in isn't the worst situation and is the norm now and not being a loser or getting fleeced.

wageslave

^ I’m basically saying that game is rigged. Dealers have all the power. You always get fleeced. The only difference between good and bad ones is that good ones don’t lie to you.