Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

I kind of like their model, they reward repeat customers and those who participate in Ferrari events and Ferrari won't allow dealers to sell for over MSRP.

Originally Posted by ParadiseGT3

Can better position yourself for allocation/timing advantage with CPO buys, trade-ins, etc. but an MSRP purchase is at least achievable for a newcomer. It's a much better business model imo, with the brand guarding against dealer greed and reputational damage.

Originally Posted by Patton250

Like I said brother I’m not saying it doesn’t happen I’m just saying I can’t find it and I don’t see it. Also if I owned a Porsche dealership and I could get $400,000 for a $250,000 build I would do it regardless of how long I knew certain customers. If a particular customer took it personally, I would do my best to apologize to them and maybe buy them a nice dinner, but I would still take the profit. And if in the future that person decided to not buy a GT car from me again I’m sure I wouldn’t have a hard time selling them.

Either that, or I would have them, sign an impossible to get out of contract stating they cannot resell the car, but only trade it back to the dealership. I might consider that with long-term customers.

However, after seeing all this, the point of this conversation that confuses the living crap out of me more than anything is how many people here seem to be offended by all of this capitalism going on. They certainly wouldn’t get offended by it when it came to their own lives, and the resale of their own properties. Yet for some reason, they feel businesses shouldn’t do it, or somehow they are corrupt and unethical for doing it. This makes zero sense to me and tastes of at the very least a slight hypocrisy. If, and when the economy completely tanks, and these cars can be bought at a discount, I doubt, very seriously there will be threads created here by anyone complaining about that. Some here seem all for dealerships making less money. Sometimes I think people forget it’s our fellow human beings, that own and run these dealerships. I guess that slips some peoples minds as most people at the end of the day primarily concentrate on their own self interests. I guess I can kind of understand that. However, that still shouldn’t cloud peoples overall understanding of the situation.

Originally Posted by mass27

Ferrari model is much better IMO. Like every other luxury good where demand exceeds supply...only the big fish get to eat.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

I kind of like their model, they reward repeat customers and those who participate in Ferrari events and Ferrari won't allow dealers to sell for over MSRP.

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Careful what you ask for.

The "shadow" ADM that comes along with a highly sought after Ferrari model far exceeds, even on a percentage basis of MSRP, than the upfront, in-your-face ADM Porsche cars command.

Originally Posted by neanicu

20 pages for a flip that shouldn't even be in this section : this is the " TECHNICAL DISCUSSION SECTION ",the " FOR SALE " section is in a different place. Of course there aren't any more mods to clean this forum,it all went down the drain...
Carry on most people don't care...
And you can flame me,I don't care either because I have thick skin...

Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Careful what you ask for.

The "shadow" ADM that comes along with a highly sought after Ferrari model far exceeds, even on a percentage basis of MSRP, than the upfront, in-your-face ADM Porsche cars command.

Originally Posted by shrimp money

It's amazing what Grand Prix motors is able to get for some of their inventory.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

Capitalism requires a competitive market with full transparency, I think we can all argue that is not going on with the GT car market in the US (lack of consumer knowledge of supply/demand information, dealers colluding, etc). Comparing homes to cars is an apples to oranges comparison even though both are driven by supply/demand dynamics. So are all the other countries who do not allow dealers to sell for over MSRP socialist? But hey, at least we don't have to pay some of the crazy VAT/taxes that other countries have to pay.

Originally Posted by Manifold

Again … these cars don’t sell for these high prices unless there are buyers voluntarily willing to pay those prices. Buyers are competing with each other to get the cars. If you can’t get the car you want at the price you want, there are people outbidding you. Demand isn’t an abstract thing, it’s another guy who wants the car more badly than you and/or is less concerned about the cost.

Originally Posted by Chris C.

Capitalism aspires to a perfect market - but in reality there is no such thing. Some markets for sure have more transparency, but there are always insiders and arbitrage opportunities if you're honest. Flipping a house on spec with a quick reno isn't that different than dealers spec'ing their crappy orders, selling them to a local car broker or to a regular customer who flips it back when the car they really want (say the ST, 3/4RS etc) is delivered a year later. Dealer can sell way over MSRP as a used car and no one thinks much of it. Many of the players on this forum are participants in this insider market, so it's disingenuous for a lot of folks here to complain - and most don't - as they're beneficiaries riding the wave for the last 3 refresh cycles.

Let's face it, like any cross section of society some dealers/people play straight up and others game the system to take advantage and increase their personal gain.

Why are we still whining about it? It's a far sight better than some centrally controlled economy where someone else tells you what you can do/buy/pay. But it ain't perfect, and it has gotten really frustrating for enthusiasts as it's opened the door for a lot of broker/flippers to play in the lack of transparency and most time at little added value.

I am glad we don't have the Ferrari system - that's even more rigged, and there are dealers in the US who are playing fair - just not many any more.

Originally Posted by Chris C.

Capitalism aspires to a perfect market - but in reality there is no such thing. Some markets for sure have more transparency, but there are always insiders and arbitrage opportunities if you're honest. Flipping a house on spec with a quick reno isn't that different than dealers spec'ing their crappy orders, selling them to a local car broker or to a regular customer who flips it back when the car they really want (say the ST, 3/4RS etc) is delivered a year later. Dealer can sell way over MSRP as a used car and no one thinks much of it. Many of the players on this forum are participants in this insider market, so it's disingenuous for a lot of folks here to complain - and most don't - as they're beneficiaries riding the wave for the last 3 refresh cycles.

Let's face it, like any cross section of society some dealers/people play straight up and others game the system to take advantage and increase their personal gain.

Why are we still whining about it? It's a far sight better than some centrally controlled economy where someone else tells you what you can do/buy/pay. But it ain't perfect, and it has gotten really frustrating for enthusiasts as it's opened the door for a lot of broker/flippers to play in the lack of transparency and most time at little added value.

I am glad we don't have the Ferrari system - that's even more rigged, and there are dealers in the US who are playing fair - just not many any more.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3

Capitalism requires a competitive market with full transparency.