GT3 Touring or Sport Classic-which would you pick?
05-03-2022, 12:25 PM
#31
I think the SC is a beautiful car and don't think I would ever tire of looking at one in my own garage. The driving experience is predictable (having had a 992 Turbo S) and I'd be more than ok with that. I guess I like some fluff pieces.
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05-03-2022, 02:34 PM
#32
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Like most herein - Touring for me all the way. Color me unimpressed, but I really don't find anything that 'special' in the ST, especially to warrant the price delta.
Non Motorsport engine, non Motorsport tranny (7-spd), cosmetic sprinkles (explains why I was denied both the houndstooth inserts and asked to fork $32K for Paldao), heavy, not digging the execution of the duck wing. Befitting for a "Heritage" model which it is, but not special enough for me.
Would rather spend the coin on the 997.2 SC which is timeless in its design, and reckon will 'age' even better with time than the 992 SC.
Non Motorsport engine, non Motorsport tranny (7-spd), cosmetic sprinkles (explains why I was denied both the houndstooth inserts and asked to fork $32K for Paldao), heavy, not digging the execution of the duck wing. Befitting for a "Heritage" model which it is, but not special enough for me.
Would rather spend the coin on the 997.2 SC which is timeless in its design, and reckon will 'age' even better with time than the 992 SC.
05-04-2022, 03:43 AM
#33
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You knew this comparo was coming. This is assuming of course you could order either. Yeah, this is a GT board but this GT3 is for, well touring as is the SC. The comparison would have been a little more compelling had they just put in the base turbo engine rather than an emasculated version....
05-04-2022, 09:06 PM
#34
If Porsche is listening..... Current lineup is incredible in performance and execution - no doubt. For true Porschephiles the following might be the holy grail: A smaller 911 GT borne car but not focused on ring times but rather aggressive/stylish canyon carving. Dimensions not to exceed 964 wide body so 11" shorter, 3" less wide and 2" taller) and less rake in the windshield (so not totally optimized for aero - back to a more classic 911 shape. 964 Design cues but two seats. Max weight 2990 LBS wet in heaviest configuration. 3.6 liter (yes 3.6 not 4.0) from the GT department that spins to 9400 RPM producing 480+ hp but more torque to HP ratio than current 4.0. Manual only (I absolutely love the current PDK but for the car I am spec'ing here - manual only). Special super minimalist interior. Intake setup from GT4RS. Double wishbone front suspension. Super special new colors. Just my crazy thoughts on something that would make be go totally bonkers.
05-04-2022, 10:37 PM
#35
SC vs touring is comparing apples to oranges - a turbo-based grand tourer vs GT car. I've owned both types and they are completely different to drive and live with.
Going for drives with the boys - the GT car is the way to go - screaming engine to 9000rpm. But going for a drive with the wife - it's the grand tourer that allows you to have a conversation and enjoy the company.
So my pick out of the two would be the SC as it's a better daily drive and I love the ducktail. The caveat is I'd still get a GT3RS too for the more hardcore drives and track days.
(for those that prefer the touring vs GT3RS - I suggest get both the SC and touring - they are completely different cars and if you can get both - you will use them at different occasions)
Going for drives with the boys - the GT car is the way to go - screaming engine to 9000rpm. But going for a drive with the wife - it's the grand tourer that allows you to have a conversation and enjoy the company.
So my pick out of the two would be the SC as it's a better daily drive and I love the ducktail. The caveat is I'd still get a GT3RS too for the more hardcore drives and track days.
(for those that prefer the touring vs GT3RS - I suggest get both the SC and touring - they are completely different cars and if you can get both - you will use them at different occasions)
05-12-2022, 10:38 PM
#36
I have a 992 Touring with a manual. It is amazing, but really needs sound deadening. On the motorway/freeway the road noise is brutal. Even at low speeds there is quite a large amount of engine wine.
The low performance numbers of the SC are frankly shocking at the price point. I might be offered one, but am tempted to pass at that price.
Are Porsche going to make a Turbo S Exclusive?
The low performance numbers of the SC are frankly shocking at the price point. I might be offered one, but am tempted to pass at that price.
Are Porsche going to make a Turbo S Exclusive?
However if I was really going to track the car, it’s hard not to pick the GT3 RS over the Touring or SC otherwise go for a bit of comfort with the Turbo S. IMO
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05-12-2022, 10:41 PM
#37
That is one reason I why I ordered a 2022 992 TS. Also I don’t care for the fixed position of the GT3 Touring seat, on long drives I like to be able to adjust the seat to give my back a different feel. I have had plenty of MT cars in the past (still have a ‘77 930 TC) but I like the PDK trans. I know many Porscheofiles think only MT Porsches are the real deal and most of my prior Porsches were MTs. But I got used to automatic Porsches before I got new knees and really got to like PDK when driving in Europe in the Alps and on the Autobahn.
‘However if I was really going to track the car hard not to pick the GT3 RS over the Touring or SC otherwise go for a bit of comfort with the Turbo S. IMO
‘However if I was really going to track the car hard not to pick the GT3 RS over the Touring or SC otherwise go for a bit of comfort with the Turbo S. IMO
05-12-2022, 10:50 PM
#38
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If Porsche is listening..... Current lineup is incredible in performance and execution - no doubt. For true Porschephiles the following might be the holy grail:
A smaller 911 GT borne car but not focused on ring times but rather aggressive/stylish canyon carving
Dimensions not to exceed 964 wide body so 11" shorter, 3" less wide and 2" taller) and less rake in the windshield (so not totally optimized for aero - back to a more classic 911 shape
964 Design cues but two seats
Max weight 2990 LBS wet in heaviest configuration
3.6 liter (yes 3.6 not 4.0) from the GT department that spins to 9400 RPM producing 480+ hp but more torque to HP ratio than current 4.0
Manual only (I absolutely love the current PDK but for the car I am spec'ing here - manual only)
Special super minimalist interior
Intake setup from GT4RS
Double wishbone front suspension
Super special new colors
Just my crazy thoughts on something that would make be go totally bonkers.
A smaller 911 GT borne car but not focused on ring times but rather aggressive/stylish canyon carving
Dimensions not to exceed 964 wide body so 11" shorter, 3" less wide and 2" taller) and less rake in the windshield (so not totally optimized for aero - back to a more classic 911 shape
964 Design cues but two seats
Max weight 2990 LBS wet in heaviest configuration
3.6 liter (yes 3.6 not 4.0) from the GT department that spins to 9400 RPM producing 480+ hp but more torque to HP ratio than current 4.0
Manual only (I absolutely love the current PDK but for the car I am spec'ing here - manual only)
Special super minimalist interior
Intake setup from GT4RS
Double wishbone front suspension
Super special new colors
Just my crazy thoughts on something that would make be go totally bonkers.
You can’t reduce displacement from 4.0L to 3.6L, increase redline, keep power over 480hp and then have ratio of torque to HP increase (it will necessarily decrease if the other goals are met and you stay with NA and pump fuel).
Torque is basically proportional to displacement (when comparing similar motors like this). So, you’ll decrease torque by 10% while only decreasing HP by less than 6%, compared to 992 GT3.
But it won’t matter if you reduce weight (hopefully by 10% or more) and have lower gearing made possible by the higher redline and lower power (and top speed).
Would potentially be an amazing car
Last edited by GrantG; 05-12-2022 at 10:58 PM.
05-12-2022, 11:05 PM
#39
Tahoeblue - my dealer didn’t tell me that when I ordered my car over a year ago. Perhaps that was because I previously had two turbos and they only had a turbo s allocation and not a touring allocation. Not sure I would have waited for a touring allocation as I wanted to special order exactly what I wanted.
05-13-2022, 06:32 AM
#40
For me the SC for sure ! The first 992 that i want to immediatly buy.
I don't track my cars, that's why I'm not focused on performance, only on aesthetics.
For the NA aspect, i actually stick with my 991 touring.
I don't track my cars, that's why I'm not focused on performance, only on aesthetics.
For the NA aspect, i actually stick with my 991 touring.
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05-13-2022, 01:47 PM
#41
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SC over Touring for me...the TT/TTS platform is the best DD I've had, this one with a manual will be more engaging, more special and IMHO looks beyond killer. If you have another (or a few) hardcore cars in your garage and really want something you can drive ALL the time and have it be special and easy, the SC is it. Touring is a solid car, for sure...but the new GT3 didn't wow me as much as I thought it would and the 992 TTS cab that I had, for a road car actually did. Whats nice is there are different avenues to be able to go within the Porsche product offering and one can absolutely not be another's thing!
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05-13-2022, 02:00 PM
#42
If the SC had the GT 6 speed, maybe. Without it, GT3T all the way.
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05-13-2022, 02:12 PM
#43
05-13-2022, 02:19 PM
#44
Night and day difference. The 7 speed is the PDK with a stick on top of it. So the gear ratios are far different from the bespoke GT 6 speed. The feel/action is vastly different as well. The GT is like a bolt action rifle, the 7 speed really needs stuff like the numeric shifter cables, etc to make it feel anywhere close; stock it is so much less precise in feel. It's not a BAD transmission, but it's far from special and at that price point, it should be.
05-13-2022, 02:34 PM
#45
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^^^Not putting the 6-spd in it was a big disappointment.
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