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Old 07-29-2023, 04:35 AM
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Not true, can do direct rack. Porsche has one that coincidentally fits.
Parts number? Anyone? Any link?
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Old 07-29-2023, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by momo360
You guys do realize that the 992 GT3 steering feel differences come from the much faster steering ratio right? I'm sure the double wishbone is an improvement too, but that's not what makes the front end feel faster.
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Old 07-29-2023, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Totally agree with that (seems like they did that to make everyone notice the expensive engineering change underneath). However, the double wishbone is a revelation when you push really hard in the corners (recommended for the track).

And I do enjoy the quick ratio and more linear and less artificial feeling compared to the old variable ratio rack…
Not exactly a revelation. Honda has been using double wishbone since 1985.
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Old 07-29-2023, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
Not exactly a revelation. Honda has been using double wishbone since 1985.
It’s a revelation on a 911 (first one other than 959 for the road). I don’t include FWD cars in the handling conversation.

Original NSX is cool, but they badged it an Acura here 😀

But I’ll give you Miata…
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Old 07-29-2023, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
Not exactly a revelation. Honda has been using double wishbone since 1985.
It's a revelation for the 911. Since it's never been on one of their street cars. The fact that it's been used in other brands/cars for far longer isn't relevant at all
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Old 07-30-2023, 10:01 AM
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Gentlemen, i welcome your point and appreciate that Porsche is late to the game, but, respectfully, late adoption hardly makes it a revelation
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Old 07-30-2023, 10:07 AM
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Gentlemen, i welcome your point and appreciate that Porsche is late to the game, but, respectfully, late adoption hardly makes it a revelation
Call it what you like. It’s a very big improvement and one I’m happy to have.
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Old 07-30-2023, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
Gentlemen, i welcome your point and appreciate that Porsche is late to the game, but, respectfully, late adoption hardly makes it a revelation
Drive a 991 GT3 and a 992 GT3 back to back on circuit then come back in here with feedback. Again, I don't follow how a comparison to other brands/cars matters when we're speaking to the 911. It changed the car dramatically on track
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Originally Posted by PTS
Drive a 991 GT3 and a 992 GT3 back to back on circuit then come back in here with feedback. Again, I don't follow how a comparison to other brands/cars matters when we're speaking to the 911. It changed the car dramatically on track
improvement, yes. revelation, not so much. Ive driven with and without. There is an improvement. Hard to know if its steering ratio improvements, DWB, rear wheel steering or some combination of these and other improvements. Either way, it is progress and im for it. Just not ready to deify Porsche for finally using technology thats been on Hondas for nearly 40 years. This is not ‘brand new information.’
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
improvement, yes. revelation, not so much. Ive driven with and without. There is an improvement. Hard to know if its steering ratio improvements, DWB, rear wheel steering or some combination of these and other improvements. Either way, it is progress and im for it. Just not ready to deify Porsche for finally using technology thats been on Hondas for nearly 40 years. This is not ‘brand new information.’
You can complain about 75 years of street-legal sports car production without proper suspension (still missing from most models) or celebrate its inclusion with GT3/RS. Just depends if you want to be glass half full or half empty
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Old 07-30-2023, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
improvement, yes. revelation, not so much. Ive driven with and without. There is an improvement. Hard to know if its steering ratio improvements, DWB, rear wheel steering or some combination of these and other improvements. Either way, it is progress and im for it. Just not ready to deify Porsche for finally using technology thats been on Hondas for nearly 40 years. This is not ‘brand new information.’
All I know it's undeniable that the only reason the 911 got away without Double wishbone for so long wash weight distribution to the back of the car.
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Old 07-30-2023, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Grunspan
improvement, yes. revelation, not so much. Ive driven with and without. There is an improvement. Hard to know if its steering ratio improvements, DWB, rear wheel steering or some combination of these and other improvements. Either way, it is progress and im for it. Just not ready to deify Porsche for finally using technology thats been on Hondas for nearly 40 years. This is not ‘brand new information.’
Steering ratio improvements are not responsible for the dramatic improvements to the understeer
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Old 07-30-2023, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Steering ratio improvements are not responsible for the dramatic improvements to the understeer
i wish i was that good to definitively say which single or combination of tech enhancements improved understeer. I leave it to you guys to decide. the Perhaps it was rear wheel steering, DWB or steering ratio. Enough said about the fact that DWB is a welcome improvement even though it’s been around 40 years. Its about time
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Old 07-30-2023, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Steering ratio improvements are not responsible for the dramatic improvements to the understeer
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You can complain about 75 years of street-legal sports car production without proper suspension (still missing from most models) or celebrate its inclusion with GT3/RS. Just depends if you want to be glass half full or half empty
i am pleased to have it. Just that its about time
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Old 07-31-2023, 10:15 AM
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I am surprised they haven't released some sort of 'count down' on the Porsche newsroom? or at least something like they did for the GT3 & 3RS..

Absolut nothing! not even a whisper anywhere!
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