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#3272
Or it'd give dealers more exclusive market control to drive up a forced buy out at the "market value" of the time at lease end. Therefore same poison, just from a different well.
#3274
Giving the customers the right to purchase at the end of the lease would probably keep most all of the STs out of the dealer hands.
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Ukkid74 (09-23-2023)
#3276
This would actually be between the leaser and PFS...not the dealer if thats how it went, so it would be up to PFS what your buyout would be, not your dealer. Not sure what this stops at the end of the day though, as a dealer still has the allocation, so they COULD make you pay that first, then you get to deal with whatever PFS decides to do come to think of it 😂.
Last edited by sechsgang; 09-23-2023 at 01:42 PM.
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Ukkid74 (09-23-2023)
#3277
This would actually be between the leaser and PFS...not the dealer if thats how it went, so it would be up to PFS what your buyout would be, not your dealer. Not sure what this stops at the end of the day though, as a dealer still has the allocation, so they COULD make you pay that first, then you get to deal with whatever PFS decides to do come to think of it 😂.
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Ukkid74 (09-23-2023)
#3278
I tried to get an ST and failed. So take this with a grain of salt as it’s probably sour grapes. I was actually going to drive the thing because, as the saying goes, you can’t take it with you.
Given my experience, I’m turned off now on modern Porsche. Frankly I’m sometimes embarrassed to drive them because of the reputation some of the dealers , owners and Porsche has created. I just bought my parents a Subaru Forester and in driving it I realized that it skewed more towards my values. So much posturing and profiteering in performance cars now. Can anyone really drive these well? Do they make sense on todays roads? I pick carefully where I go with modern Porsches to avoid the backlash.
I’d rather drive a classic Porsche. Which are friendly cars produced when people bought them to use them as intended and dealers didn’t try to profiteer, enabled by the factory. When it was a united community.
I still am impressed by my Macan and enjoy my 991 (just bought a T when I was told I could not get a ST) but they won’t ever be my passion, but a utility. Last car I’d sell and the first I choose to drive when the weather is right? A 1955-1959 Speedster.
A new 992 ST? I was hoping to get one and to love it. Drive it. Share it. But the process itself was so demeaning that it took away all the joy. But they rejected me so maybe again it’s a reaction to that!
Given my experience, I’m turned off now on modern Porsche. Frankly I’m sometimes embarrassed to drive them because of the reputation some of the dealers , owners and Porsche has created. I just bought my parents a Subaru Forester and in driving it I realized that it skewed more towards my values. So much posturing and profiteering in performance cars now. Can anyone really drive these well? Do they make sense on todays roads? I pick carefully where I go with modern Porsches to avoid the backlash.
I’d rather drive a classic Porsche. Which are friendly cars produced when people bought them to use them as intended and dealers didn’t try to profiteer, enabled by the factory. When it was a united community.
I still am impressed by my Macan and enjoy my 991 (just bought a T when I was told I could not get a ST) but they won’t ever be my passion, but a utility. Last car I’d sell and the first I choose to drive when the weather is right? A 1955-1959 Speedster.
A new 992 ST? I was hoping to get one and to love it. Drive it. Share it. But the process itself was so demeaning that it took away all the joy. But they rejected me so maybe again it’s a reaction to that!
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#3279
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I tried to get an ST and failed. So take this with a grain of salt as it’s probably sour grapes. I was actually going to drive the thing because, as the saying goes, you can’t take it with you.
Given my experience, I’m turned off now on modern Porsche. Frankly I’m sometimes embarrassed to drive them because of the reputation some of the dealers , owners and Porsche has created. I just bought my parents a Subaru Forester and in driving it I realized that it skewed more towards my values. So much posturing and profiteering in performance cars now. Can anyone really drive these well? Do they make sense on todays roads? I pick carefully where I go with modern Porsches to avoid the backlash.
I’d rather drive a classic Porsche. Which are friendly cars produced when people bought them to use them as intended and dealers didn’t try to profiteer, enabled by the factory. When it was a united community.
I still am impressed by my Macan and enjoy my 991 (just bought a T when I was told I could not get a ST) but they won’t ever be my passion, but a utility. Last car I’d sell and the first I choose to drive when the weathers right? A 1955-1959 Speedster.
Anew ST? I was hoping to get one and to love it. Drive it. Share it. But the process itself was so demeaning that it took away all the joy.
Given my experience, I’m turned off now on modern Porsche. Frankly I’m sometimes embarrassed to drive them because of the reputation some of the dealers , owners and Porsche has created. I just bought my parents a Subaru Forester and in driving it I realized that it skewed more towards my values. So much posturing and profiteering in performance cars now. Can anyone really drive these well? Do they make sense on todays roads? I pick carefully where I go with modern Porsches to avoid the backlash.
I’d rather drive a classic Porsche. Which are friendly cars produced when people bought them to use them as intended and dealers didn’t try to profiteer, enabled by the factory. When it was a united community.
I still am impressed by my Macan and enjoy my 991 (just bought a T when I was told I could not get a ST) but they won’t ever be my passion, but a utility. Last car I’d sell and the first I choose to drive when the weathers right? A 1955-1959 Speedster.
Anew ST? I was hoping to get one and to love it. Drive it. Share it. But the process itself was so demeaning that it took away all the joy.
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AlexCeres (09-23-2023)
#3280
FWIW, in Canada it appears that the watch is a mandatory purchase as the configurator’s base price includes it. My GM also confirmed that.
#3281
Thanks for the heads up on that. My build had to be submitted yesterday and your correct that there’s a watch right in the build sheet for 18k. I just messaged my dealer I don’t want a watch. I’ll see what their reply is.
#3282
I'm curious how this lease deal will work and if it's going to be interest free if they're forcing you into it.
I don't even know that a company can legally force you to finance a purchase.
Seems it would have been a lot easier to do it the way Ferrari does it to lock people in with a ROFR document.
Doesn't really affect me either way although I'd obviously rather not pay interest ... I guess I'll find out soon enough.
I don't even know that a company can legally force you to finance a purchase.
Seems it would have been a lot easier to do it the way Ferrari does it to lock people in with a ROFR document.
Doesn't really affect me either way although I'd obviously rather not pay interest ... I guess I'll find out soon enough.
Last edited by soulsea; 09-23-2023 at 05:18 PM.
#3283
I'm curious how this lease deal will work and if it's going to be interest free if they're forcing you into it.
I don't even know that a company can legally force you to finance a purchase.
Seems it would have been a lot easier to do it the way Ferrari does it to lock people in with a ROFR document.
Doesn't really affect me either way although I'd obviously rather not pay interest ... I guess I'll find out soon enough.
I don't even know that a company can legally force you to finance a purchase.
Seems it would have been a lot easier to do it the way Ferrari does it to lock people in with a ROFR document.
Doesn't really affect me either way although I'd obviously rather not pay interest ... I guess I'll find out soon enough.
Take Tesla for example.... they legally own all their cars tech. The buyer owns the shell and Tesla has 100% control of its products even after purchase. Nobody ever actually owns a Tesla as it's a proprietary tech product.
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InfamousS/T (09-23-2023)