992 GT3 vs 991.2 GT3RS
11-14-2021, 10:38 PM
#17
Drifting
Owned and tracked 3RS for last 3 years, was an epic car. Traded it in for new GT3 as it was time for a change. Both are fantastic, but very different. 3RS is a much louder raw feeling car that is much more difficult to drive at speed. As mentioned above it tends to push on track and takes much more effort and skill to extract the last bit of speed out of it. New GT3 is much more comfortable driving around, can be driven everyday as it more refined. Interior is gorgeous, feels special in comparison. On Track it grips, front end bites and the car rotates so easily, it’s really quite amazing. I have been running same lap times in both cars, but it feels much easier to run them in new GT3, it always feels composed and confident. It seems that almost anyone could drive it fast, RS not so. I enjoy them both. In perfect World would use 992 GT3 as daily and strack 991.2 3RS as it’s more of a challenge
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11-15-2021, 12:06 AM
#18
Burning Brakes
Last weekend I was at a private track day and had the chance to drive the 992 GT3 (PDK) for about an hour and a half, split roughly 45 mins on back roads and about the same on a short track, I had my .2RS on hand for some shake down time.
(1) The GT3 was on Good Years (and not CUP2R)
(2) The first thing I noticed was the general lack of noise below about 4000 rpm - this is a very noticeable difference
(3) Above about 4000RPM the noise opens up but not to the levels of the RS
(4) Good turn in similar to the RS at road speeds
(5) Slightly better compliance at road speeds than the RS - I would describe the RS as either bumpy or bouncy (depending on which setting you choose).
(6) On track the RS was quicker (although it was on Cup2R) but having said that the 992GT3 felt better on the Good Years than the RS on standard Cup2. Specifically reduced front end push/ tendency to understeer/more certain at the limit.
The RS is a more visceral experience, on Cup2R tires, there wouldn't be much in it round a track - the ultimate difference being the driver.
For me personally, this is my second experience of the 992 GT3 and for me the visceral nature of the RS is the standout difference. I will likely keep my 991.2RS and most likely trade out my 720S when the 992 GT3RS becomes available.
(1) The GT3 was on Good Years (and not CUP2R)
(2) The first thing I noticed was the general lack of noise below about 4000 rpm - this is a very noticeable difference
(3) Above about 4000RPM the noise opens up but not to the levels of the RS
(4) Good turn in similar to the RS at road speeds
(5) Slightly better compliance at road speeds than the RS - I would describe the RS as either bumpy or bouncy (depending on which setting you choose).
(6) On track the RS was quicker (although it was on Cup2R) but having said that the 992GT3 felt better on the Good Years than the RS on standard Cup2. Specifically reduced front end push/ tendency to understeer/more certain at the limit.
The RS is a more visceral experience, on Cup2R tires, there wouldn't be much in it round a track - the ultimate difference being the driver.
For me personally, this is my second experience of the 992 GT3 and for me the visceral nature of the RS is the standout difference. I will likely keep my 991.2RS and most likely trade out my 720S when the 992 GT3RS becomes available.
992 GT 3 has quite exhaust now due to EU Regis, easily fixed by after market.
11-15-2021, 12:42 AM
#19
The RS was on stock exhaust and headers.
Last edited by groundhog; 11-15-2021 at 12:43 AM.
11-15-2021, 12:49 AM
#20
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Sold my 991.2 GT3RS and picked up my 992 GT3 a couple weeks ago. 992 is way more road compliant IMO and is an all around better car that is much better on the track. Makes the 991.2 feel like a dinosaur. I'm glad I didn't keep the 3RS now. Wouldn't go back.
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11-15-2021, 10:38 AM
#21
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To get the new car to sound like the old car, you would need to spend at least $12k and invest in a full header system with sports cats. But even then it appears that the new valve logic keeps the valves closed at a wider RPM band and regardless of the button state, you need to be on throttle to get them to stay open.
With enough money and determination, you can do anything but Its hardly "easily fixed" by aftermarket.
11-15-2021, 10:48 AM
#22
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11-15-2021, 10:51 AM
#23
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What do you mean "much" better? Can you elaborate a bit more? The two cars are within 1 second of each other in a 20+ km Nurburgring. I dont understand how can one be much better over the other?
11-15-2021, 10:54 AM
#24
Having read the thread both Mootys and my call are pretty accurate.
Perhaps he’s referring to the digital layout Vs largely analogue layout. If that’s the case it could be a Hyundai or BMW rep mobile 😀
Last edited by groundhog; 11-15-2021 at 11:04 AM.
11-17-2021, 01:20 AM
#25
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It's an opinion by the way. I like the suspension better. More planted and less understear mainly. Less tail happy as well.
11-17-2021, 10:19 AM
#26
the 992 RS will be a $350,000 purchase by the time everything is factored in.....I don't think the 991.2 GT3RS WP will depreciate at all....
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01-18-2022, 01:16 PM
#27
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Bumping this old thread as I have a question to people who have owned and driven both of these cars (including 991.2 GT3). Obviously as many people, I have watched every 992 GT3 video out there, some repeatedly. What I have recently realized is the tone and the characteristics of the engine sound, in cabin, in the older car has this variability in that every rpm beginning 5,000 has a different pitch and tone. Between 8,000 and 9,000, it turns into this very metallic buzz saw. Best example to this is the recent savage geese video where at the end (37:40), they drive a 991.2 in track. The 992 GT3 videos while do maintain the underlying engine noise, lack this mechanical more unrefined notes.
The question is, how do the cars in real life compared particularly above 7,000 rpm. And the other question is, given this is more of a valve train noise can it even be improved using aftermarket exhaust? Doesnt an exhaust simply amplify the sound that comes out of the exhaust pipes which would eventually overtake/mask this mechanical cabin noise?
991.2 gt3 savage geese (forward to 37:40)
992 GT3 savage geese (forward to 32:04)
Other videos:
991.2 GT3 Autobahn (forward to 0:27)
992 GT3 Autobahn (forward to 0:12)
The question is, how do the cars in real life compared particularly above 7,000 rpm. And the other question is, given this is more of a valve train noise can it even be improved using aftermarket exhaust? Doesnt an exhaust simply amplify the sound that comes out of the exhaust pipes which would eventually overtake/mask this mechanical cabin noise?
991.2 gt3 savage geese (forward to 37:40)
992 GT3 savage geese (forward to 32:04)
Other videos:
991.2 GT3 Autobahn (forward to 0:27)
992 GT3 Autobahn (forward to 0:12)
01-18-2022, 01:38 PM
#28
add a 991.2 GT3RS to this mix and the difference is even greater,
have you ever seen the size of the headers, cats and rear muffler of the 992 GT3?
they are enormous, and while you can delete the rear center muffler, you still have the monstrous headers and gallon size cats in place....
have you ever seen the size of the headers, cats and rear muffler of the 992 GT3?
they are enormous, and while you can delete the rear center muffler, you still have the monstrous headers and gallon size cats in place....
01-18-2022, 03:08 PM
#29
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add a 991.2 GT3RS to this mix and the difference is even greater,
have you ever seen the size of the headers, cats and rear muffler of the 992 GT3?
they are enormous, and while you can delete the rear center muffler, you still have the monstrous headers and gallon size cats in place....
have you ever seen the size of the headers, cats and rear muffler of the 992 GT3?
they are enormous, and while you can delete the rear center muffler, you still have the monstrous headers and gallon size cats in place....
01-18-2022, 03:58 PM
#30
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It’s the same valve train in 991.2 and 992…