In California, all GT3 models are PDK-only!
06-16-2021, 03:40 PM
#136
Like California emissions requirements of the past; why can't Porsche develop a baffle of sorts for Cali bound cars to circumnavigate the decibel issue? seems like an easy fix.
06-16-2021, 03:40 PM
#137
And get harassed and cited by the cops in California. People who split time between CA and another state have been increasingly scrutinized by the Franchise Tax Board in CA. They look at everything, utility bills, CC charges and whatever else they can in order to prove where your actual residency is for the majority of the year. If they can establish that the majority of your time is spent in CA you can expect penalties along with an increase in your CA tax as the gov't there is absolutely bleeding money. Driving around a new GT3 with out of state plates is a huge red flag.
This is exactly my retired parents. They split time between La Jolla and Houston and Cali does everything in their power to attempt to prove they spend 51% of their time in Cali so they can bend them over further.
They've learned to document every day spent in either state. It's always a **** show
They've learned to document every day spent in either state. It's always a **** show
06-16-2021, 03:59 PM
#138
The only question that really matters is whether or not they can still be registered here in CA which I'm guessing they might be able to.... in which case we can all just order from out of state dealer and check the box for PECLA delivery. It may just be Porsche dealers in CA getting screwed here out of their absurd markups they'd make on these cars.
06-16-2021, 04:00 PM
#139
The only question that really matters is whether or not they can still be registered here in CA which I'm guessing they might be able to.... in which case we can all just order from out of state dealer and check the box for PECLA delivery. It may just be Porsche dealers in CA getting screwed here out of their absurd markups they'd make on these cars.
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06-16-2021, 04:10 PM
#140
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except this has nothing to do with emissions. it has to do with selling cars that exceed 95db sound levels when noise tests are conducted
The issue has to do with an outdated California Code of Regulations testing procedure (SAE J1470) that dates back to 1992, when manual cars had four or five gears. A newer version of this test -- SAE J2805 -- was made available in May 2020, but it has not been adopted by the California Highway Patrol. "We understand that CHP has been planning to update [the test] to incorporate the new SAE procedure," Porsche said. "At this juncture, we are awaiting this regulatory claim."
The issue has to do with an outdated California Code of Regulations testing procedure (SAE J1470) that dates back to 1992, when manual cars had four or five gears. A newer version of this test -- SAE J2805 -- was made available in May 2020, but it has not been adopted by the California Highway Patrol. "We understand that CHP has been planning to update [the test] to incorporate the new SAE procedure," Porsche said. "At this juncture, we are awaiting this regulatory claim."
Vehicle Code 27151
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
06-16-2021, 04:53 PM
#141
GT3 Manual revs (almost to) redline following the approved testing procedures, PDK does not: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...as-noise-test/
Last edited by Bartleby7334; 06-16-2021 at 04:55 PM.
06-16-2021, 05:03 PM
#142
06-16-2021, 05:08 PM
#143
what a dumb test. it makes absolutely no sense with how they conduct it.
basically with the pdk car - they have to give it just enough throttle to not trigger a kick down while taking 3rd gear from 30mph to the end of the testing area.
for the manual car - they put it in 3rd and go WOT to 'nearly redline' (i'm guessing they run out of space on the test strip just before redline is achieved)
so pdk car is doing like 4-5k rpm at half throttle at the end
manual car is full throttle at 8.5k at the end.
or something like that.
basically with the pdk car - they have to give it just enough throttle to not trigger a kick down while taking 3rd gear from 30mph to the end of the testing area.
for the manual car - they put it in 3rd and go WOT to 'nearly redline' (i'm guessing they run out of space on the test strip just before redline is achieved)
so pdk car is doing like 4-5k rpm at half throttle at the end
manual car is full throttle at 8.5k at the end.
or something like that.
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06-16-2021, 05:14 PM
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GT3 Manual revs (almost to) redline following the approved testing procedures, PDK does not: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...as-noise-test/
06-16-2021, 05:20 PM
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06-16-2021, 05:22 PM
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06-16-2021, 05:25 PM
#147
If anyone is dropping their CA dealer allocation due to this I'll take it. Please PM me. Thanks.
06-16-2021, 05:53 PM
#148
Pretty stupid rule!
06-16-2021, 05:55 PM
#149
06-16-2021, 06:10 PM
#150
Harley got in trouble with CARB a while back with their Screamin' Eagle bikes and had to pay a stiff fine. Now from what I understand is that it's nearly impossible to get aftermarket exhausts for bikes in CA. Once gov't cracks open that door they typically bust through and try to control everything.