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Old 10-05-2022 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by signes
Misha saying word is 6:49.3 was their best time, full lap. With the amount of headwind esp on the main straight that would be pretty good.
If they think RS is ~3 sec faster than GT3 at Silverstone on ~2min lap, then about 10 sec faster on N-ring is ballpark. We all know they will set more times with it as as time goes on and weather gets better. Big headwind will definitely cost time. All that said, anybody that's disappointed with ~10 sec faster than GT3, has a screw loose and doesn't deserve this car. This car is worth every penny.

Let the GT2RS be the ring king, that's what those big turbo cars are for......
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Old 10-05-2022 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
In all seriousness, I think the only marque that really cares about lap times is Porsche.

I mean really cares, it's almost part of the DNA of their GT cars.

I guess its both good and bad.

Good in that we have a metric to judge all the generations of cars and their iterative improvements.

Bad in that sometimes you feel like Porsche is simply building a car to a specific Ring time and forgetting all else, i.e., how it drives and handles outside of a 13 mile track, or whether it is livable day-in day-out.
The issue is that tire technology continues to evolve which somewhat distorts things.
Old 10-05-2022 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
In all seriousness, I think the only marque that really cares about lap times is Porsche.

I mean really cares, it's almost part of the DNA of their GT cars.

I guess its both good and bad.

Good in that we have a metric to judge all the generations of cars and their iterative improvements.

Bad in that sometimes you feel like Porsche is simply building a car to a specific Ring time and forgetting all else, i.e., how it drives and handles outside of a 13 mile track, or whether it is livable day-in day-out.
Exactly! My lap times around the hood get a little faster as I sip more coffee down. I'm less likely to spill it all over my dad bod during a heavy right foot pull up to the soccer moms bumper in front of me. Make it safe. Make it fun. I'll never be a pro driver or even close. All I want to do is have fun with nice toys while I'm able to on this spinning rock.
Old 10-05-2022 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrappy1972
The issue is that tire technology continues to evolve which somewhat distorts things.
And the track has evolved (in length, topology/profile, and surface quality).
Old 10-05-2022 | 05:34 PM
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So is 6:49.3 confirmed? I was predicting 6:48.3.

I don't really think it's fair to expect it to be faster than the GT2 RS, which has way more power and costs way more. And getting the pace through grip rather than power is more fun anyway.

Are we comparing with 6:55.3 for the 992 GT3? Delta of 6 secs seems a bit low, I would expect more like 7-8 secs.
Old 10-05-2022 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Are we comparing with 6:55.3 for the 992 GT3? Delta of 6 secs seems a bit low, I would expect more like 7-8 secs.
No, the 992 GT3 time to use for comparison is 6:59.9 for the 20.8km lap.



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Old 10-05-2022 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GrantG
No, the 992 GT3 time to use for comparison is 6:59.9 for the 20.8km lap.

Ah ok, 10 sec delta makes a lot more sense. At my local track, that would translate to almost 2 secs, which is quite a lot. The aero (and other stuff) works!

If the GT3 has Cup 2R and the RS has Cup 2, the tire difference would cancel most of the delta, so no way the RS driven by a journo easily catches the GT3 driven by a pro at full tilt, if those are the tires.

I'm sort of convincing myself that if I can get an RS at MSRP, I'd like to try one for at least a year or two, to have the experience of a lot more grip than I'm used to, and to play with the *****. But still need to know about heat into the cabin, how long the tires last, and ride on the road. And of course I'm unlikely to get one ...
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit

Bad in that sometimes you feel like Porsche is simply building a car to a specific Ring time and forgetting all else, i.e., how it drives and handles outside of a 13 mile track, or whether it is livable day-in day-out.
If they were doing that (optimizing specifically for N-ring), they would have dropped the NA engine and went high-HP turbos (essentially GT2). RS is quite compromised for N-ring times, where very long straights reward high horsepower and high top speeds more than almost any other track. This RS seems to be optimized for medium-speed tracks, where aero already works (you'll feel it probably from 60MPH), but the straights are not as long as where aero drag becomes too much of liability given the lack of monstrous HP to compensate. So I would not be surprised with an underwhelming N-ring lap time, at least compared to other tracks. I was hoping that active aero would reduce drag more than it does - to sub-GT3 levels - but that does not seem the case.

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Old 10-05-2022 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
In all seriousness, I think the only marque that really cares about lap times is Porsche.

I mean really cares, it's almost part of the DNA of their GT cars.

I guess its both good and bad.

Good in that we have a metric to judge all the generations of cars and their iterative improvements.

Bad in that sometimes you feel like Porsche is simply building a car to a specific Ring time and forgetting all else, i.e., how it drives and handles outside of a 13 mile track, or whether it is livable day-in day-out.
Seemed to work for the 992 GT3 IMO
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Old 10-05-2022 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxLTV
If they were doing that (optimizing specifically for N-ring), they would have dropped the NA engine and went high-HP turbos (essentially GT2). RS is quite compromised for N-ring times, where very long straights reward high horsepower and high top speeds more than almost any other track. This RS seems to be optimized for medium-speed tracks, where aero already works (you'll feel it probably from 60MPH), but the straights are not as long as where aero drag becomes too much of liability given the lack of monstrous HP to compensate. So I would not be surprised with an underwhelming N-ring lap time, at least compared to other tracks. I was hoping that active aero would reduce drag more than it does - to sub-GT3 levels - but that does not seem the case.
love this thinking. I also think that the car is going to be fast on pretty much all tracks given it’s versatility in low mid and high speed cornering due to all that down force. the fact that you’re not going to be at 160 or 170mph continuous long stretches of time like n ring is a real point to consider and as I saw from the Borg meister today even he seemed a lil frazzled after 2 incredibly fast hot laps at silverstone.

This car is going to be a lot of car to drive at 10/10ths and then you factor in all the technical adjustments…… you’re going to need be a highly skilled racing car driver with a great understanding of car dynamics and engineering to get the most out of this car. And for that reason alone I’m all in.
Old 10-05-2022 | 08:18 PM
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Go to the end to see Jorg do his thing

Old 10-05-2022 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanRacer
Go to the end to see Jorg do his thing

Seems like that vid in particular shows lots of push into Stowe and through Maggotts / Becketts. Might be the tires state of wear.
Old 10-05-2022 | 08:41 PM
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In the hagerty video, the guy talks about the diff settings and perhaps that causes some of the push we see.

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Old 10-05-2022 | 09:10 PM
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Man this thing is nuts

can’t wait to fill my moleskin notebook with the variety of settings to find the optimal setting for each track!

And it used to be just tire pressure and temps lol
Old 10-05-2022 | 09:10 PM
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Fun to look back at where this breed of car started. Still quite a lot of car.

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