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Old 08-20-2022 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by groundhog
The US needs to be introduced to the sport of closed road rallying/ tarmac rallying - its what you evolve to after track Think stages up to 3 x longer than the ring on even more challenging roads and you may go from 1 to 5 days.
I see approximately zero chance of it happening. We have no history of it, and the public would probably hate it.
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Old 08-20-2022 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
For me, cars are meant to be driven, and a non-race car is meant to be practical and/or fun.

I think that this RS won’t be practical for the road, and will be less fun on the road than all of the other 911 GT cars.

It will be fast and fun on the track for non-racing, but with the various issues which have been noted. I expect the cost of consumables to be very high.
Why will this not be driven? AP says very compliant on road. Who will really care about the no frunk when they are driving it?
Old 08-20-2022 | 08:35 AM
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Why will this not be driven? AP says very compliant on road. Who will really care about the no frunk when they are driving it?
This is the question. Based on spring rates, will it be too stiff? Or have they somehow engineered around that? Really looking forward to watching the reviews.
Old 08-20-2022 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
This is the question. Based on spring rates, will it be too stiff? Or have they somehow engineered around that? Really looking forward to watching the reviews.
Nobody will really know before the drive but my gut feel it will be insane. Keep in mind it is a "pinnacle "of Porsche engineering so it will be unreal for sure. I will agree a no frunk is PIA but its ok when the many other things are considered.

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Old 08-20-2022 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I see approximately zero chance of it happening. We have no history of it, and the public would probably hate it.
Why? There is a national dirt rally championship, why not have a tarmac rally championship? The RS is almost the perfect car for it (with full safety).

Tarmac is far more challenging than track.

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Old 08-20-2022 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by groundhog
Why? There is a national dirt rally championship, why not have a tarmac rally championship? The RS is almost the perfect car for it (with full safety).

Tarmac is far more challenging than track.
I think the US public has no appetite for such a thing. We like oversized cars that get poor gas mileage. A small fraction of us go to cars and coffee, and even less of us go to the track. I would guess NASCAR is the most popular racing series, guys mostly going around ovals.
Old 08-20-2022 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 3-Pedals
This is a good point. US has this windows down requirement in most tracks EU doesnt and Porsche doesnt test their GT cars in US tracks.
Not Porsches fault that track mandatory windows down dangerous procedures still rule.

I won’t do a track day without windows up…
Porsche knows and already disagreed in 2014 with the 991GT3 introduction that’s undrivable on track with windows down…

Quote: Oliver Berg, Manager GT-Product Porsche
One option that is not recommended if you ever want to sell the car is air-conditioning delete. “Only 20 the 5,000 first generation 991 GT3 RS owners ticked the box for a/c delete,” said Oliver. “The fact is that while the 14kg weight saving might sound good on paper the discomfort you will experience when wearing a race suit and helmet on track in summer is simply not worth it. You will be hot and bothered and slower because you cannot concentrate as well compared to when you are cool and comfortable.”


http://9tro.com/media/features/new-c...1#content-page
http://9tro.com/media/features/new-c...2#content-page



Old 08-20-2022 | 09:49 AM
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^ On hot days, I run my AC with the windows down. I even do it with my convertible with the top down. It makes a difference, albeit of course less than with the cockpit closed.
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Spring rates were borderline too stiff with the 991.2GT3RS, if it has the same spring rates as a CUP in the rear then it will bounce off the track like a CUP at Sebring.

we tested much with softer rates with the 991.2RS but because we couldn’t dial in the sway bars we never got faster then OEM but overall a touch softer springs with matching setup and sway bars we felt would be the ticket but for Sebring only.
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Not Porsches fault that track mandatory windows down dangerous procedures still rule.

I won’t do a track day without windows up…
Porsche knows and already disagreed in 2014 with the 991GT3 introduction that’s undrivable on track with windows down…

Quote: Oliver Berg, Manager GT-Product Porsche
One option that is not recommended if you ever want to sell the car is air-conditioning delete. “Only 20 the 5,000 first generation 991 GT3 RS owners ticked the box for a/c delete,” said Oliver. “The fact is that while the 14kg weight saving might sound good on paper the discomfort you will experience when wearing a race suit and helmet on track in summer is simply not worth it. You will be hot and bothered and slower because you cannot concentrate as well compared to when you are cool and comfortable.”


http://9tro.com/media/features/new-c...1#content-page
http://9tro.com/media/features/new-c...2#content-page


the links don't go anywhere

what track days do you run that will allow windows up? and how do we get PCA to recognize this problem?
Old 08-20-2022 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by daveo4porsche
the links don't go anywhere

what track days do you run that will allow windows up? and how do we get PCA to recognize this problem?
When I ran with PCA NordStern at Brainerd and RA we ran windows up

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Old 08-20-2022 | 12:19 PM
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What's the consensus about AC delete? I remember first round of RS sales, a lot of folks went AC delete to save weight. Then maybe later regretted it? No AC is uncivilized.
Old 08-20-2022 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by os993
What's the consensus about AC delete? I remember first round of RS sales, a lot of folks went AC delete to save weight. Then maybe later regretted it? No AC is uncivilized.
Will anyone really feel the weight difference? Drive a car on a hot day with no AC, and you'll probably have your answer. I'd never buy a street car with no AC.
Old 08-20-2022 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Not Porsches fault that track mandatory windows down dangerous procedures still rule.
Yep and it won't be their fault if all the hot air off the radiator ends up in the car. The last time I was at Laguna the afternoon session temps were around 85 degrees and I couldn't stand that with full A/C. I'm a big baby when it comes to a hot day in the car on track though.
Old 08-20-2022 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Taffy66
This new RS absolutely does not suit anyone who doesn't track his car on a regular basis who would be much better served by a Manual 992GT3 Touring.
Isn't that what the RS has always been about?

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