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Old 01-13-2017, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by thebishman
I see what you did there! Lol

TBH I don't care what owners spend their coin on, but I am concerned that Porsche are pricing their iconic car, the 911, out of reach of many in the (upper) middle class when to get a decently equipped model is now about $130K for a C2S, and $150K for a GTS 4.

Perhaps all they really give a damn about is the SUVs, (especially the Macan), and the 'insiders' who always get first dibs on the GT models.

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Adjusted for inflation, current prices are relatively in line with the 993. Loaded C4s were pushing 100k back in the 90s.
Old 01-13-2017, 07:10 AM
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The question to ask is - how important is it that I'm getting EXACTLY the car I want and how certain am I that when I get that car, that I'll know that I picked all of the options I wanted. Assign a value to that maybe the value is 10 out of a scale if 10. Now see what you could buy in a 991.1 for $85k and assign a value to that, maybe it's a 7. Subtract the first value from the second.p, in this case it's 3 or 30% of your value scale. Then subtract the cost of the new car from that of the used, say 140k from $85k, $55k. You have now assigned a personal value of 3 for 55k. 30% of 140k is 42k, so on that scale the new car wouldn't be worth it. .
Old 01-13-2017, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by randr
Updated engine HP numbers with the addition of the 991.2TTS and 991.2 base: Area under the torque curve HP from 4000rpm to redline and HP at 4000rpm.

991.2TTS 504HP (4000-7200) and 393HP @ 4000rpm
991.2GTS 408HP (4000-7500) and 308HP @ 4000rpm
991.2S 375HP (4000-7500) and 282HP @ 4000rpm
991.2 330HP (4000-7500) and 253HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GT3RS 387HP (4000-8700) and 199HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GT3 365HP (4000-9000) and 185HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GTS 342HP (4000-7700) and 217HP @ 4000rpm
991.1S 338HP (4000-7700) and 213HP @ 4000rpm



4321...

Thanks for posting this. The graph of the 991.2 Base next to an 991.1S explains everything. Base .2 is faster than S .1 through 5500 rpm.
Old 01-13-2017, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by randr
Updated engine HP numbers with the addition of the 991.2TTS and 991.2 base: Area under the torque curve HP from 4000rpm to redline and HP at 4000rpm.

991.2TTS 504HP (4000-7200) and 393HP @ 4000rpm
991.2GTS 408HP (4000-7500) and 308HP @ 4000rpm
991.2S 375HP (4000-7500) and 282HP @ 4000rpm
991.2 330HP (4000-7500) and 253HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GT3RS 387HP (4000-8700) and 199HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GT3 365HP (4000-9000) and 185HP @ 4000rpm
991.1GTS 342HP (4000-7700) and 217HP @ 4000rpm
991.1S 338HP (4000-7700) and 213HP @ 4000rpm



4321...
Any chance you have TT data to add?
Old 01-13-2017, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by randr



4321...

You make this chart yourself? Nice work
Old 01-13-2017, 02:17 PM
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Driving the new 2017 models shows how much faster they are over the 2016 models. The new 2017 911 S is as fast as a 2008 GT2. The new 2017 GTS will be quicker than the current GT3 in most situations...it will certainly "feel" faster with 405 pound feet of torque at 2100rpm...
Old 01-13-2017, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche
Driving the new 2017 models shows how much faster they are over the 2016 models. The new 2017 911 S is as fast as a 2008 GT2. The new 2017 GTS will be quicker than the current GT3 in most situations...it will certainly "feel" faster with 405 pound feet of torque at 2100rpm...
Sure you're not thinking of a 2002 GT2? A 2008 GT2 has 530hp and 505 ft-lbs. Or maybe you're comparing the acceleration times of the PDK version (with launch control) against the manual 2008 GT2 which are pretty close at low speeds (GT2 is already faster by 0.8s from 0-100mph than C2S with Sport Chrono PDK)?

http://press.porsche.com/news/pdf/2008_GT2_Specs.pdf

http://www.porsche.com/germany/model...turesandspecs/
Old 01-13-2017, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche
Driving the new 2017 models shows how much faster they are over the 2016 models. The new 2017 911 S is as fast as a 2008 GT2. The new 2017 GTS will be quicker than the current GT3 in most situations...it will certainly "feel" faster with 405 pound feet of torque at 2100rpm...
I respectfully disagree. https://youtu.be/jVJ4_dfcFiw
Old 01-13-2017, 08:10 PM
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Test results:

2008 911 GT2:

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...he-911-gt2.pdf

Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.8 sec @ 121 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 155 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: .98 g


2017 911 S CAB:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review


Zero to 60 mph: 3.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.4 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 19.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 122 mph
Top speed (drag limited, mfr's claim): 189 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 146 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.00 g

Looks about the same to me....admittedly the 2017 911 S Cab has a PDK and not a manual...but it also weighs 200 pounds more than the coupe....
Old 01-13-2017, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche
Looks about the same to me...
Interesting - Looks like GT2 was slower than its factory specs and 991.2 faster than its - rate of progress is rapid these days!
Old 01-13-2017, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by STG
You make this chart yourself? Nice work
Yep - calculated from the published torque curves.

I will add the TT when I get the chance - also the TTS is calculated without the overboost engaged (so should be considered a minimum).
Old 01-13-2017, 11:29 PM
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Forgive me if this is a duplicate but haven't seen first part of this new promo video.

https://youtu.be/rJeBG1b7eAg
Old 01-13-2017, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
Forgive me if this is a duplicate but haven't seen first part of this new promo video.

https://youtu.be/rJeBG1b7eAg
Nice, peculiar that she knew the exact mileage to his house. She probably has a book club near by or something.
Old 01-17-2017, 10:36 AM
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Sapphire blue 2GTS build slot secured.

PDK
Rear wheel steer
Red/Black leather
Plus other bits.......

Should be driving it last couple of days of April.

Still undecided about glass roof or not. Currently have one, never use it, but like the look of it. It squeaks a little.
Old 01-17-2017, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Simonl72
Sapphire blue 2GTS build slot secured. PDK Rear wheel steer Red/Black leather Plus other bits....... Should be driving it last couple of days of April. Still undecided about glass roof or not. Currently have one, never use it, but like the look of it. It squeaks a little.
Congrats! Love SB.


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