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I highly recommend Tecart springs. Mild drop and ride quality remains Porsche 911. Cornering is improved.
Techart springs are made by Eibach to Techart specs, but Eibach springs are not the same spring. The ride height is similar, but the rate is different.
Techart worth the difference in price. Highly recommended
TechArt will not release their spring rates so it is an unknown. And Eibach will not release the rates as well. From the comments the rates are most likely the same but a shorter spring to lower the car.
Have the TechArts on a 991.2 Carrera and they're much as everyone says: they ride nice & look good.
Downside is that their progressive rates, which make the ride a bit nicer around town, can overwhelm the PASM curves when the springs get compressed into the upper rate range, which seem to be designed with straight-rate springs in mind. This is a 2-8% of the time issue, most noticeable over a significant bump at speed that introduces porpoising—of which there are not many where I live. Adding DSC from TPC helped, but it seems they prefer H&R's straight-rate springs, and I have yet to drive a setup from Levitas I don't like. So, if I had it to do over again, I'd ask Tom or Mike at TPC for their thoughts on H&R's VTF setup, with variable perches. I wonder if Mike can specify the rates with that setup, as well. I suspect those springs, DSC, and a rear bar or maybe both bars might get pretty interesting. Add Cup rubber, and I suspect the car might be a nice-riding beast.
TechArt will not release their spring rates so it is an unknown. And Eibach will not release the rates as well. From the comments the rates are most likely the same but a shorter spring to lower the car.
Not at all uncommon for a large manufacturer to make products for smaller companies, to their bespoke specs. As but one example is Vossen wheels. They make their own wheels, and wheels for Champion Motorsports, along with several others. The Champion wheel specs are bespoke to Champion; many consider Champion Wheels superior and worth the added cost; the weights are lower and the designs are different. The differences, in this case, are measurable and visible to us.
Eibach makes springs for numerous small companies and tuners - not just Tecart/Porsche. Quite common in the automoive world and manufacturing in general.
The Techart springs are made to specs that allow for a small, but noticeable improvement in cornering. The other benefit encountered by Porsche owners of Techart springs, is an extended service life over "standard" Eibachs. The Eibachs are quite good, and would be my choice if I did not intend to keep my 997.2 C4S for many years.
Each of us, of course, choose where to spend our hard earned Porsche Dollars and where we will receive the most gain per dollar for our desired results.
Techarts are a great combo with my PASM, DSC controller, front tower strut brace, and forged wheels with Cup 2 tires.
Not at all uncommon for a large manufacturer to make products for smaller companies, to their bespoke specs. As but one example is Vossen wheels. They make their own wheels, and wheels for Champion Motorsports, along with several others. The Champion wheel specs are bespoke to Champion; many consider Champion Wheels superior and worth the added cost; the weights are lower and the designs are different. The differences, in this case, are measurable and visible to us.
Eibach makes springs for numerous small companies and tuners - not just Tecart/Porsche. Quite common in the automoive world and manufacturing in general.
The Techart springs are made to specs that allow for a small, but noticeable improvement in cornering. The other benefit encountered by Porsche owners of Techart springs, is an extended service life over "standard" Eibachs. The Eibachs are quite good, and would be my choice if I did not intend to keep my 997.2 C4S for many years.
Each of us, of course, choose where to spend our hard earned Porsche Dollars and where we will receive the most gain per dollar for our desired results.
Techarts are a great combo with my PASM, TPC DSC, front tower strut brace, and forged wheels with Cup 2 tires.
I'd argue that Eibachs will have the most extended life of the shocks due to the most conservative drop. For the money it's hard to justify Techart since once on the car nobody will be able to tell the difference in such a close right height and the jury is out on spring rate, ride, handling with no objective data whatsoever[compared to eibach]. Luckily is only hundreds of dollars difference and not thousands but its still a big %.
I'd argue that Eibachs will have the most extended life of the shocks due to the most conservative drop. For the money it's hard to justify Techart since once on the car nobody will be able to tell the difference in such a close right height and the jury is out on spring rate, ride, handling with no objective data whatsoever[compared to eibach]. Luckily is only hundreds of dollars difference and not thousands but its still a big %.
Ride height with the two are the same. Strut life and spring life are extended, given driving conditions are comparable.
I have owned and driven on Eibachs, very good. Techart diffrence can be felt. There is no additional "middle-man", as we buy Eibachs from a vendor. In the case of Techart products, we can purchase from Techart - no additional hands to pass through.
Those of us with Techart products (or any smaller dedicated car product manufacturer) prefer those products, and know we pay additional for the small but noticeable improvements. There are also other vendors that offer aftermarket springs for our cars, each with their version of what can be improved upon. Eibach and H&R make springs to a price point, for the masses.
I prefer Champion wheels to Vossen - same parent - different offspring. Those that don't appreciate the improvements, should not spend the additional dollars - spend it elsewhere towards what you feel is important.
Ride height with the two are the same. Strut life and spring life are extended, given driving conditions are comparable.
I have owned and driven on Eibachs, very good. Techart diffrence can be felt. There is no additional "middle-man", as we buy Eibachs from a vendor. In the case of Techart products, we can purchase from Techart - no additional hands to pass through.
Those of us with Techart products (or any smaller dedicated car product manufacturer) prefer those products, and know we pay additional for the small but noticeable improvements. There are also other vendors that offer aftermarket springs for our cars, each with their version of what can be improved upon. Eibach and H&R make springs to a price point, for the masses.
I prefer Champion wheels to Vossen - same parent - different offspring. Those that don't appreciate the improvements, should not spend the additional dollars - spend it elsewhere towards what you feel is important.
Again - I have no data to backup one being superior in any way and I don't think you do either. I'm just suggesting that my perception is that with Techart you are paying much more for a name/brand and that factually the eibach branded springs have a more conservative drop and it is my hypothesis that this will extend the life of the shocks. Even if Techart was slightly better - they are price gouging based on the brand given the % in price delta.
Again - I have no data to backup one being superior in any way and I don't think you do either. I'm just suggesting that my perception is that with Techart you are paying much more for a name/brand and that factually the eibach branded springs have a more conservative drop and it is my hypothesis that this will extend the life of the shocks. Even if Techart was slightly better - they are price gouging based on the brand given the % in price delta.
Ride height is the same between the two. I have owned and used both.
There is no an additional middle man ... I purchased from Techart.
I was considering both the techart and H&R springs but went with an alternative with GMG lowering springs. Worked well and GMG is a local vendor here so I got a bit of a discount buying and having the springs installed by them.
So far very happy with the results, they're PASM compatible and don't change the ride quality at all in normal or sport mode.
I'm so glad the previous owner of my car decided to lower it with H&R springs. I never would have myself, and it's the #1 factor that makes my car stand out. It just ties up the design and brings out all its best features.
I'm assuming springs are not a DIY project for a regular guy?
Correct, unless you have a very good knowledge some specialist tools and the ability to string a car for Geo. If you need to ask then the answer is definitely garage only !
Anyone with 991.1 Coupe Sport PASM take-offs they be interested in selling? Preferably in FL (to reduce/eliminate the shipping). Let me know, thanks! -Dom
Anyone with 991.1 Coupe Sport PASM take-offs they be interested in selling? Preferably in FL (to reduce/eliminate the shipping). Let me know, thanks! -Dom
I do....But they have like 40k miles on them. Also have TechArt Springs. I replaced everything with damptronics.
Anyone with 991.1 Coupe Sport PASM take-offs they be interested in selling? Preferably in FL (to reduce/eliminate the shipping). Let me know, thanks! -Dom
I did the Techart springs about a year ago and couldn't be happier with the look,ride,and performance. The ride height seems perfect to me.
12-03-2018, 09:30 PM
