VINK

Fleet means VW brand as parent company or just Porsche, looking from CO2 perspective?

Larry Cable

+1 ... until they officially launch a .2 GTS all these "scoops" are scooping crap IMO.

.2 powerkit (if there is one) will add 15-30bhp which would put such a car beyond the GTS NA specs ... and into GT3 territory BTW ...

unless Porsche is radically changing their marketing of the GTS (which is simply a repackaging of existing options) this seems like wishful thinking at best.

We had the same speculation prior to the launch of the .1 GTS, that it would be powered by something other than the X51 9A1 etc etc ... all to naught

I think autocar are doing themselves a disservice reporting this nonsense
well in advance of any launch marketing

normal service will be resumed, if this had been an actual emergency ...

subshooter

The GTS staying NA was rumored back in December.


See this article: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche...-ar162114.html

Perhaps Autocar is just regurgitating this rumor and everything is circular reporting?

Larry Cable

yeah that report is flawed also ... you heard it here 1st!

Larry Cable

I'm going to report (oh did I say that - I meant speculate) that any 718 Spyder or GTS will be an uprated 4pot blower also ... only the GT4 *might* remain NA if and only if they can extract more
from the old 9A1 3.8L 'S' variant they wedged in there previously ... and then, for how long?

personally I dont know where the GT3 (&RS) is going to find much more bhp from its NA motor...

the writing is on the wall if you care to read it IMO.

Archimedes

Because they can't keep pace with the regulatory fuel efficiency standards with that big a percentage of their sales in NA cars.

GSIRM3

I don't believe it. I see no way they will keep making the 3.8 NA GTS engine for such a limited number of cars.

ibmiked

I agree. The cost alone of keeping a low production engine rolling off the assembly line would be prohibitive. It makes no sense when the reason for the turbos was to consolidate costs by going to 3.0L across the entire 991.2 range. Porsche is saving a ton by standardizing the motor in the Carrera and Carrera S.

As mentioned above, the X51 for 991.2 Carreras would mean that the GTS would have to go up 30hp to current GT3 levels and the GT3 motor would have to go up at least as much again. Unless they plan on pushing the GT3 motor to 4.0L I don't expect that they can or will do this.

LnC993

Unfortunately I think your cleaning lady is right, I don't believe 991.2 GTS is going to remain NA.

MKW

the 997 and 991 GTS have been anchored by its " powerkit " motors derived from their S models ..to do otherwise on the 991.2.GTS does not fit their configuration/sales strategy of giving more " bang for the buck " vs a similarly configured S to help move the 911 metal the 3rd to 4th years of production

I agree that author is confusing GTS with GT# models

Larry Cable

+1

jimbo1111

Well not so fast. I distinctly remember the 2015 Pani GTS was N/A while the S sported turbos. If not mistaken there was a 10 hp deficit on the S. Same holds true if the 911GTS gods decided to make it live as N/A. I wouldn't count it out. It has happened before in there variant.

Larry Cable

let me cite the antithesis of this:

- (new) Cayenne GTS
- (new) Macan GTS

bottom line, its all pure speculation and extrapolation, lets wait to see what happens with the .2 powerkit ... I think that will be the litmus test for me at least

jimbo1111

I for one would never buy a power kit that is solely based on software and porsche knows this. A hardware power kit would put the GT3 in jeopardy along with there true turbo model. Think about having 5 turbos to choose from.
Dropping the GTS line would be there best alternative.

Larry Cable

well said ... be interesting to see what happens to the facelift GT3 engine ... if anything

although I think that the Macan/Cayenne 6cylTT engine and the 9A2 in the base
and S 911s suggests that (larger turbos &) software is the way ahead to differentiate models engine performance.