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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbo1111
The braking is the most important aspect when sport driving. Ideally seat positioning is dictating off of that peramiter.
Agreed. Your relationship to the brake peddle on the track is more important that the wheel. I wouldn't be surprised if she has to sit that close to the wheel in order to get the right leg and hip placement for the brake because she she seems to have short legs.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
Agreed. Your relationship to the brake peddle on the track is more important that the wheel. I wouldn't be surprised if she has to sit that close to the wheel in order to get the right leg and hip placement for the brake because she she seems to have short legs.
Chris Harris also has short legs. Must be common amongst British car journalist's.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 03:22 PM
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One other thing that's worth consideration, the SAs at my dealership tell me they expect scheduled maintenance to cost significantly more and be more in line with the 991TT than the 991.1S due to the added difficulty in getting to the spark plugs, etc. They say they've seen a similar thing with the Macan vs the Cayenne, there is so much less room that they really have to disassemble a lot of the car to get at anything.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 04:11 PM
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I had considered a 997 Turbo and my indie shop, who specialize in Porsche Cup cars, told me the same thing. Just about every engine based procedure will have 1 or 2 more hours of labor just to remove and re-install all the turbo stuff that's in the way.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewinator
One other thing that's worth consideration, the SAs at my dealership tell me they expect scheduled maintenance to cost significantly more and be more in line with the 991TT than the 991.1S due to the added difficulty in getting to the spark plugs, etc. They say they've seen a similar thing with the Macan vs the Cayenne, there is so much less room that they really have to disassemble a lot of the car to get at anything.
Guys will make it up with the MPG gas savings
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 10:02 PM
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I'll just leave this here and let the click-curious decide who's driving position is good or bad.
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Originally Posted by -Ryan-
This is sort of ironic since Mr. Harris is basically punch-drunk on McLaren Kool-Aid these days.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
This is sort of ironic since Mr. Harris is basically punch-drunk on McLaren Kool-Aid these days.
Seems like apples to oranges. With the 991.2 he has a direct + very recent comparison to his long term 991.1 GTS... last time I checked McLaren did not have a recent N/A model to compare the 570S, 650S, 675LT, or P1 against.

And no, the McLaren F1 doesn't count...
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by -Ryan-
Some additional discussion on the matter... Harris and Dan Trent of Pistonheads. Presented without commentary but have a feeling a few around here will have a reaction.

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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 09:43 PM
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The Chris Harris' of the world and the enthusiasts here get it and he's right on.

Reality of the fact, Porsche is looking to increase 911 sales year over year. I believe last year was flat? They're expanding the umbrella and looking to pull in new buyers. No doubt. Realistically that's where the profits are if that's all you're concerned about. Alienate 5 enthusiasts, but gain 8 new buyers? Not bad. Trust me "prospective buyers" want more torque, HP, and better entertainment.

The enthusiasts will drive around in their current cars for a while and might come around at some point. If not, plenty of older cars to buy.

My conclusion is that with it's marketing power Porsche will sell more 911's. If that's the goal and ALL that matters, it should be met.

Sometimes artists have two paths they can take. Stick to their art and ideas regardless to what will bring them commercial success. The second path create art that consumers want and will buy.

Sometimes you create art that is pure and original and resonates with the public regardless of a master plan or marketing agenda.

As we know, Porsche is a master marketer these days.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by STG991
The Chris Harris' of the world and the enthusiasts here get it and he's right on.

Reality of the fact, Porsche is looking to increase 911 sales year over year. I believe last year was flat? They're expanding the umbrella and looking to pull in new buyers. No doubt. Realistically that's where the profits are if that's all you're concerned about. Alienate 5 enthusiasts, but gain 8 new buyers? Not bad. Trust me "prospective buyers" want more torque, HP, and better entertainment.

The enthusiasts will drive around in their current cars for a while and might come around at some point. If not, plenty of older cars to buy.

My conclusion is that with it's marketing power Porsche will sell more 911's. If that's the goal and ALL that matters, it should be met.

Sometimes artists have two paths they can take. Stick to their art and ideas regardless to what will bring them commercial success. The second path create art that consumers want and will buy.

Sometimes you create art that is pure and original and resonates with the public regardless of a master plan or marketing agenda.

As we know, Porsche is a master marketer these days.
Very well said, agree 100%.
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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by STG991
The Chris Harris' of the world and the enthusiasts here get it and he's right on.

Reality of the fact, Porsche is looking to increase 911 sales year over year. I believe last year was flat? They're expanding the umbrella and looking to pull in new buyers. No doubt. Realistically that's where the profits are if that's all you're concerned about. Alienate 5 enthusiasts, but gain 8 new buyers? Not bad. Trust me "prospective buyers" want more torque, HP, and better entertainment.

The enthusiasts will drive around in their current cars for a while and might come around at some point. If not, plenty of older cars to buy.

My conclusion is that with it's marketing power Porsche will sell more 911's. If that's the goal and ALL that matters, it should be met.

Sometimes artists have two paths they can take. Stick to their art and ideas regardless to what will bring them commercial success. The second path create art that consumers want and will buy.

Sometimes you create art that is pure and original and resonates with the public regardless of a master plan or marketing agenda.

As we know, Porsche is a master marketer these days.
Well said, and likely true.

Reminds me of the 991 generation GT3 and RS.

From an "artistic"/driving experience perspective, Porsche achieved perfection with the 997.2 RS (3.8 and 4.0)

With the 991 GT3 and RS, they widened the bandwidth and made both cars attractive to 9 people who previously never would have considered a Porsche GT car while pissing off 3 purists who won't own a GT car other than a manual 996/997 with a short wheelbase.

The result though is that a lot more people in the world now want to own a 991 GT3 or RS, which is why my 12 month old GT3 hasn't lost a penny of value, and you have to pay at least 70K over MRSP if you want to own a 991 RS. The end result is more overall demand for their cars and more money for Porsche. Even though we don't always like it, Porsche is a business and they know how to keep making more money.


Personally, I don't plan to ever purchase a new non-GT 911 again, given what Porsche has done to the regular 911, (or another GT car if .2 GTs are turbo), but that won't change anything at PAG headquarters.

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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 08:43 AM
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