C2 needs suspension drop
#1
C2 needs suspension drop
I've enjoyed my early production C2 for about 18 months and 15k miles now. I can live with the 350hp and the stock exhaust given it's exotic wail and pull from 6000 rpm to redline. I painted the calipers and with the 19" wheels they look fine now. I even added spacers which enhanced the wide look of the car (although 15mm in the rear is about 5mm too much IMO). I haven't touched the ride height since the car handles great and rides decent and my local roads are far from smooth. Made a few cosmetic changes also to personalize it a bit.
You could say I was completely satified until... I got my BMW 4GC as a daily driver, and for this particular reason: the GC rides like a luxury car (to a fault actually IMO) but has about 3/4" less tire to fender gap than my C2 and seems to sit about perfect.
I know there is more to suspension travel than simply wheel well gap, but this really is my last issue with the Porsche. I also know PASM would have dropped it about 1/2" which would help, and SPASM would have taken it down another 1/2" which sounds about perfect but comes along with a stiffer ride than I want. All of the aftermarket springs seem to have conflicting info on their drop but real world reports seem to indicate another 1/2" below SPASM.
So, what's the solution here? Go through the expense and trouble with Porsche OEM PASM springs for a measly 1/2" or risk being too low and stiff with aftermarket -that 3/4" would be my ideal target.
You could say I was completely satified until... I got my BMW 4GC as a daily driver, and for this particular reason: the GC rides like a luxury car (to a fault actually IMO) but has about 3/4" less tire to fender gap than my C2 and seems to sit about perfect.
I know there is more to suspension travel than simply wheel well gap, but this really is my last issue with the Porsche. I also know PASM would have dropped it about 1/2" which would help, and SPASM would have taken it down another 1/2" which sounds about perfect but comes along with a stiffer ride than I want. All of the aftermarket springs seem to have conflicting info on their drop but real world reports seem to indicate another 1/2" below SPASM.
So, what's the solution here? Go through the expense and trouble with Porsche OEM PASM springs for a measly 1/2" or risk being too low and stiff with aftermarket -that 3/4" would be my ideal target.
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I dont know what the solution is but the 50th has the 10mm drop and its perfect.
Check out SHarkwerk.com I bet they have a solution with the factory dampers, and
here it is:
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=357
Pics:
http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/991-ca...d-spacers.html
Check out SHarkwerk.com I bet they have a solution with the factory dampers, and
here it is:
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=357
Pics:
http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/991-ca...d-spacers.html
#3
You are right that the ride gets woorse with SPASM.
However, there really is no other aftermarket choice than a set of KW Variant 3 Coilovers.
They are fully adjustable for height and damping, so you should be able to dial them in perfect.
If ride quality is the largest priority ask about a softer spring option and add those parts, when you order them.
Call KW USA direct, they are very helpful and will asvise you on what to order and who you can order from.
I am thinking about these KW's, for my SPASM car too.
Ask around, people are always very happy with them.
However, there really is no other aftermarket choice than a set of KW Variant 3 Coilovers.
They are fully adjustable for height and damping, so you should be able to dial them in perfect.
If ride quality is the largest priority ask about a softer spring option and add those parts, when you order them.
Call KW USA direct, they are very helpful and will asvise you on what to order and who you can order from.
I am thinking about these KW's, for my SPASM car too.
Ask around, people are always very happy with them.
#4
Before and after photos copied from Sharkwerks site with their preferred Techart springs... his measurements seem to indicate my ideal 3/4" drop but these photos look like much more to me. I would think this car must ride choppy and stiff and drag the splitter into some driveways.
Maybe PASM springs are the way to go, or maybe I shouldn't worry about it!
Maybe PASM springs are the way to go, or maybe I shouldn't worry about it!
#6
My only local dealer lists the full coil over kit for $3550 + install + alignment... maybe I should have checked PASM on my order sheet!
#7
They run about $1500 for the set.
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#8
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Before and after photos copied from Sharkwerks site with their preferred Techart springs... his measurements seem to indicate my ideal 3/4" drop but these photos look like much more to me. I would think this car must ride choppy and stiff and drag the splitter into some driveways.
Maybe PASM springs are the way to go, or maybe I shouldn't worry about it!
Maybe PASM springs are the way to go, or maybe I shouldn't worry about it!
I love the sporty ride of the OEM sport springs.
#9
Race Car
After two years with Sport PASM i can state that the ride is not at all choppy or harsh, even though the spring rate is higher and the sway bars are stiffer with Sport PASM. The Sport PASM 20 mm lower than the stock non PASM hight. PASM cars are 10 mm lower than standard non PASM cars. It is firmer than stock for sure, but still far more supple than prior generations. The Sport PASM front lip rides lower than the standard front spoiler, but with any care at all it is not a hazzard.
#10
I've enjoyed my early production C2 for about 18 months and 15k miles now. I can live with the 350hp and the stock exhaust given it's exotic wail and pull from 6000 rpm to redline. I painted the calipers and with the 19" wheels they look fine now. I even added spacers which enhanced the wide look of the car (although 15mm in the rear is about 5mm too much IMO). I haven't touched the ride height since the car handles great and rides decent and my local roads are far from smooth. Made a few cosmetic changes also to personalize it a bit.
You could say I was completely satified until... I got my BMW 4GC as a daily driver, and for this particular reason: the GC rides like a luxury car (to a fault actually IMO) but has about 3/4" less tire to fender gap than my C2 and seems to sit about perfect.
I know there is more to suspension travel than simply wheel well gap, but this really is my last issue with the Porsche. I also know PASM would have dropped it about 1/2" which would help, and SPASM would have taken it down another 1/2" which sounds about perfect but comes along with a stiffer ride than I want. All of the aftermarket springs seem to have conflicting info on their drop but real world reports seem to indicate another 1/2" below SPASM.
So, what's the solution here? Go through the expense and trouble with Porsche OEM PASM springs for a measly 1/2" or risk being too low and stiff with aftermarket -that 3/4" would be my ideal target.
You could say I was completely satified until... I got my BMW 4GC as a daily driver, and for this particular reason: the GC rides like a luxury car (to a fault actually IMO) but has about 3/4" less tire to fender gap than my C2 and seems to sit about perfect.
I know there is more to suspension travel than simply wheel well gap, but this really is my last issue with the Porsche. I also know PASM would have dropped it about 1/2" which would help, and SPASM would have taken it down another 1/2" which sounds about perfect but comes along with a stiffer ride than I want. All of the aftermarket springs seem to have conflicting info on their drop but real world reports seem to indicate another 1/2" below SPASM.
So, what's the solution here? Go through the expense and trouble with Porsche OEM PASM springs for a measly 1/2" or risk being too low and stiff with aftermarket -that 3/4" would be my ideal target.
Well, almost. Porsche has achieved this Holy Grail with PASM. Which you don't have. Which also, please note, even with PASM when the car sits lower the springs are harder and so is the ride. Chuck is right, thanks to PASM its nowhere near as hard as would be the case without, but it is still more firm. (SPASM, I mean.)
Its physics. There just is no way of getting around it. People do all kinds of things to optimize variable spring rates, but the smoother they get the ride to handle small bumps the quicker it has to transition harder to handle big ones. Or its just gonna bottom out. That's just the way it is.
So the deeper underlying problem is understanding that the way a Porsche looks is not a function of the way it is meant to look. Its a function of the way it is meant to drive.
#11
Race Car
Yuppers. And for anyone unhappy with their 991 Turbo that looks like an SUV because it sits so high and rides like a damn GT car, I am willing to trade even up for my "sits just right" SPASM C2S.
#12
Pro
After two years with Sport PASM i can state that the ride is not at all choppy or harsh, even though the spring rate is higher and the sway bars are stiffer with Sport PASM. The Sport PASM 20 mm lower than the stock non PASM hight. PASM cars are 10 mm lower than standard non PASM cars. It is firmer than stock for sure, but still far more supple than prior generations. The Sport PASM front lip rides lower than the standard front spoiler, but with any care at all it is not a hazzard.