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I don't comment on PDK complaint threads. I figure the people driving automatic sports cars must have some kind of physical issue (such as bad knees) that keeps them from enjoying the manual, they have a long traffic filled commute or they have to lone the car to someone who can only drive an automatic. In any case, we've all worked hard and saved to buy our vehicles and I feel strongly you should be able to enjoy driving it the way you want (even PDK owners).
It really bothers me that Porsche would go out of their way to put a little annoying indicator in your face when you're trying to enjoy the car you've worked so hard to get. The fact that you used to be able to remove it and can't makes it even worse. I think if they want to put annoying "features" you should be able to decide whether they're on or off (like the auto stop start).
It really bothers me that Porsche would go out of their way to put a little annoying indicator in your face when you're trying to enjoy the car you've worked so hard to get. The fact that you used to be able to remove it and can't makes it even worse. I think if they want to put annoying "features" you should be able to decide whether they're on or off (like the auto stop start).
Uh oh! I feel another manual vs PDK thread developing
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I hope not. I just couldn't let the little attack on MT go without a response. As I said, I like giving people the choices with their car, even if I don't agree with them. Removing choices like they did here with the upshift indicator or removing the choice of a manual transmission in some cars gets me upset.
Burning Brakes
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Chuck, sounds like you've got some transmission insecurity issues. Why not appreciate the positives of both transmissions and keep the low blows for somewhere else, at least on a PDK/MT thread.
Burning Brakes
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It really bothers me that Porsche would go out of their way to put a little annoying indicator in your face when you're trying to enjoy the car you've worked so hard to get. The fact that you used to be able to remove it and can't makes it even worse. I think if they want to put annoying "features" you should be able to decide whether they're on or off (like the auto stop start).
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It's my understanding Porsche would have had to make the largest improvement in mileage of any manufacturer in order to meet the 2016 standard...perhaps we can thank VW Group for taking Porsche into the fold so the Porsche mileage numbers get mixed into the overall VW target, saving some gas-guzzling performance capability for us!
Saludos,
Eduardo
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But back on topic, I think that the key fob removal algorithm changed when I took my car in for the 1 year service (holding it left doesn't eject after a little while anymore), so I wonder if they'll also push this shift indicator as a software update for all of us - or maybe it just lefts them claim a fuel economy improvement for MY2014 because of CAFE/other standards.
If they're tweaking the software though, I'd still love to see some added options in the settings for when to engage hill-hold*, auto-engaging of parking brake when the car is turned off, showing the selected gear before you release the clutch, etc. Though I'd actually be ok if they just fixed the song cover art always being wrong.
* And to be not only fair, but downright happy(!), hill-hold is working MUCH better post 1 year service - and I had taken it in (with the code) for the update previously and was told there was no open service item for my car. I'm pretty sure they just didn't find it because it's just so much less grippy now, no more stalling worries. I'd probably even have traded the always-on shift indicator for that improvement.
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If I wanted the car to tell me when to shift I would get the PDK - which is exactly what I did. I my previous cars with a MT I too found the shift indicator annoying.
I can't believe you aren't able to shut that off in a 991. That's ridiculous!
I can't believe you aren't able to shut that off in a 991. That's ridiculous!
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Many moons ago Porsche figured out which way the wind was blowing re: Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and annual average fleet of vehicle production. And manufacturing fuel thirsty sport cars and sport SUV's was not going to be viable in the long run for a low-volume niche automaker like Porsche. That is why they initiated the play to take control of the VW Group. That move became public knowledge in 2008 after the near collapse of the financial markets tanked their plans. The tables were then reversed and the 'merger' with VW was finalized in 2012. But either way, Porsche was going to be part of VW! And as such, one of the main benefits of the acquisition (as originally envisioned) or the eventual 2012 merger as it happened was the ability to improve Porsche's 'annual average fleet of vehicle production' in the calculations of 'fuel economy'! So yes, count that merger as a positive for us the Porsche consumer.
Saludos,
Eduardo
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Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Seriously. 
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So, thanks to government intrusion into their business Porsche was going to have to buy VW in order to be able to keep making, you know, Porsches. Because otherwise government was going to regulate them into making Priuses. But then thanks to government (read, Fed) meddling and manipulating in financial markets the whole global economy nearly collapsed and Porsche had to merge with VW just to stay in business at all. In the first case Porsche would have had more control, but either way its nothing compared to the freedom they'd have to build great cars if government wasn't messing around with them at all. Is that about right?
Saludos,
Eduardo
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Burning Brakes
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Very, very well written Z356! That's exactly how it is!
All these left orientated, green environmental thinking Politcians are a bigger thread for the world than Bin Laden ever was.
Porsche, but also other small car manufacturers can't survive if they don't join a large, mass-producing car manufacturer.
McLaren for example, will not exist anymore in 5 years, if they don't team up with Daimler, Toyota or whatever company that wants to have McLaren. Not just for financial reasons, but mostly because of the impossible environmental regulations they have to meet.
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All these left orientated, green environmental thinking Politcians are a bigger thread for the world than Bin Laden ever was.
Porsche, but also other small car manufacturers can't survive if they don't join a large, mass-producing car manufacturer.
McLaren for example, will not exist anymore in 5 years, if they don't team up with Daimler, Toyota or whatever company that wants to have McLaren. Not just for financial reasons, but mostly because of the impossible environmental regulations they have to meet.
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