Nicoli35

I'm really surprised they removed the ability to turn it off. I turned my indicator off about 3 miles from the dealership.

lbahoshy

Uh oh! I feel another manual vs PDK thread developing

Fünfzig

Well - regardless of what the manual says, the upshift indicator stays on on my 50th regardless of Sport or Sport plus mode. It really doesn't annoy me any more than a PDK would...

parkerfe

Wow, I forgot my 202 991C2s had an up-shift arrow until I read this post...

maxpowers

I hope not. I just couldn't let the little attack on MT go without a response. As I said, I like giving people the choices with their car, even if I don't agree with them. Removing choices like they did here with the upshift indicator or removing the choice of a manual transmission in some cars gets me upset.

shaytun

Chuck, sounds like you've got some transmission insecurity issues. Why not appreciate the positives of both transmissions and keep the low blows for somewhere else, at least on a PDK/MT thread.

Hammer911

It doesn't seem to me Porsche would put such an indicator in the car of their own volition. I suspect the "upshift indicator" is in some way linked to the CAFE mileage target regulations to drive overall fuel economy, just like the auto stop/start function. Maybe there is some fine print requirement cars must provide some indication to the driver on how to achieve best fuel efficiency on the MT cars? (since the PDK in normal mode makes the shift decision.) Wouldn't surprise me. Thank goodness that for now (at least) one can disable the stop/start. It's my understanding Porsche would have had to make the largest improvement in mileage of any manufacturer in order to meet the 2016 standard...perhaps we can thank VW Group for taking Porsche into the fold so the Porsche mileage numbers get mixed into the overall VW target, saving some gas-guzzling performance capability for us!

Bacura

Definitely not a MT vs PDK thread. Just a thread for a horrible feature. The upshift indicator is useless and annoying. Period.

Z356

Many moons ago Porsche figured out which way the wind was blowing re: Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) and annual average fleet of vehicle production. And manufacturing fuel thirsty sport cars and sport SUV's was not going to be viable in the long run for a low-volume niche automaker like Porsche. That is why they initiated the play to take control of the VW Group. That move became public knowledge in 2008 after the near collapse of the financial markets tanked their plans. The tables were then reversed and the 'merger' with VW was finalized in 2012. But either way, Porsche was going to be part of VW! And as such, one of the main benefits of the acquisition (as originally envisioned) or the eventual 2012 merger as it happened was the ability to improve Porsche's 'annual average fleet of vehicle production' in the calculations of 'fuel economy'! So yes, count that merger as a positive for us the Porsche consumer.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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FORENN

Agreed. And it's always the same users/members. It's long tiresome...and rather transparent.

mrstep

Agreed, and I think tiresome pretty much nails it. Posting inflammatory remarks to push our buttons... Maybe pushing buttons has just become habit for some?

But back on topic, I think that the key fob removal algorithm changed when I took my car in for the 1 year service (holding it left doesn't eject after a little while anymore), so I wonder if they'll also push this shift indicator as a software update for all of us - or maybe it just lefts them claim a fuel economy improvement for MY2014 because of CAFE/other standards.

If they're tweaking the software though, I'd still love to see some added options in the settings for when to engage hill-hold*, auto-engaging of parking brake when the car is turned off, showing the selected gear before you release the clutch, etc. Though I'd actually be ok if they just fixed the song cover art always being wrong.

* And to be not only fair, but downright happy(!), hill-hold is working MUCH better post 1 year service - and I had taken it in (with the code) for the update previously and was told there was no open service item for my car. I'm pretty sure they just didn't find it because it's just so much less grippy now, no more stalling worries. I'd probably even have traded the always-on shift indicator for that improvement.

Jeffdehr

If I wanted the car to tell me when to shift I would get the PDK - which is exactly what I did. I my previous cars with a MT I too found the shift indicator annoying.

I can't believe you aren't able to shut that off in a 991. That's ridiculous!

chuck911

So, thanks to government intrusion into their business Porsche was going to have to buy VW in order to be able to keep making, you know, Porsches. Because otherwise government was going to regulate them into making Priuses. But then thanks to government (read, Fed) meddling and manipulating in financial markets the whole global economy nearly collapsed and Porsche had to merge with VW just to stay in business at all. In the first case Porsche would have had more control, but either way its nothing compared to the freedom they'd have to build great cars if government wasn't messing around with them at all. Is that about right? But I got to admire the way you spin that into a win for the consumer! Seriously.

Z356

Yes...but I would phrase it differently. What Porsche (and every other fossil fuel-powered sport car manufacturing enterprise in Europe & the United States) faces in the current socio-political environment is nothing but a frontal attack on its traditional business model! Here is what they are increasingly staring at: impossible to meet CAFE standards & Euro Cycle emissions, European pedestrian crash standards that will make changes in car design inevitable and hundreds of other mandates imposed on their industry every year! What us as consumers are looking at in the near future will be: no manual transmissions, no naturally aspirated engine, no 'Form Follows Function' vehicle design and more safety/electronic 'nannies' and driving-aids! And turbos & turbo/hybrids until finally they regulate fossil fuels out and forced us all into the exciting world of pure & silent ELECTRIC!

So in view of all of that Charlie, I got to say that if merging with a larger entity gives Porsche a little breathing room by increasing 'annual average fleet of vehicle production' so that Porsche can continue to build & sell to us these incredible machines for the little time left on the socio-political regulatory clock before it's all over...well, that my friend, is a win for the consumer! And don't blame me, I am just the messenger. I hate where this is all going. Porsche is just trying to negotiate through waters regulated by our public & the politicians they elect! We have met the enemy...

Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel

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Suzy991

Very, very well written Z356! That's exactly how it is!

All these left orientated, green environmental thinking Politcians are a bigger thread for the world than Bin Laden ever was.

Porsche, but also other small car manufacturers can't survive if they don't join a large, mass-producing car manufacturer.
McLaren for example, will not exist anymore in 5 years, if they don't team up with Daimler, Toyota or whatever company that wants to have McLaren. Not just for financial reasons, but mostly because of the impossible environmental regulations they have to meet.

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