Carrera vs Carrera S - revisited
07-05-2012, 01:02 PM
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07-05-2012, 01:28 PM
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I don't think there is much utility in evaluating track potential based on what you read in performance tests. I know a guy who runs mid pack with GT3s in the PCA expert group at Summit point in his 08 Boxter S RS-60, with a stock engine, lowered and properly adjusted suspension and road legal track tires-- and he doesn't bother to manually shift the Tiptronic. That to me is what will make seeing 981 S laptimes so interesting.
Re comparing base and S 991 the difference is readily explained in the difference in torque and horspower, and, if one has PASM Sport and therefore a lower center of gravity. I can assure you that it is quite obvious, having driven them back to back on the track.
Re comparing base and S 991 the difference is readily explained in the difference in torque and horspower, and, if one has PASM Sport and therefore a lower center of gravity. I can assure you that it is quite obvious, having driven them back to back on the track.
07-05-2012, 01:58 PM
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If power isnt everything, then the difference between the base and S is marginal. You should read Chris Harris article on the 991 Base in the current Excellence magazine. Also the difference between the base and S on a track is marginal - driver skills kicks in at that point. Trust me. I raced the 991 and 991S and couldn’t believe how well the base kept up with the S. Totally competent. In low gear you can tell somewhat of a difference but in 4th/5th gear – they become the same. And I did this on two different race tracks on two different days. That’s what sold me on the base - it was freakin fast. Dont look at 0-60 times that Porsche gives you b/c you will miss the big picutre. On a track, they are true 911's - base or S. Also, I did race the R and Spider on the tack as well. They did seem very competent but something was missing….
http://www.excellence-mag.com/issues/202
07-05-2012, 06:39 PM
#64
I was invited to Porsche unveilings so was able to test drive 911 s coupe and can, 911 base cab and new 981 boxster S. I only had 987 boxster S and Cayman S before
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab
over boxster/cayman
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab
over boxster/cayman
07-05-2012, 07:37 PM
#65
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I was invited to Porsche unveilings so was able to test drive 911 s coupe and can, 911 base cab and new 981 boxster S. I only had 987 boxster S and Cayman S before
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab over boxster/cayman
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab
over boxster/cayman
07-05-2012, 07:52 PM
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I was invited to Porsche unveilings so was able to test drive 911 s coupe and can, 911 base cab and new 981 boxster S. I only had 987 boxster S and Cayman S before
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab over boxster/cayman
A) 911 cab was as good to drive as coupe
B) 911 s power was fantastic but I was more than satisfied with base 911 power delivery and Std suspension on 19s was very pliant, base and S have nice exhaust but PSE is even more better . The 981 Boxster S feels stodgy compared to even base 991 911 at low revs.
C) also after owning Box s and cyman S and test drove 987 spyder and 981 boxster s, i will say 991 911 's were more satisfying to drive. Mid engine, rear engine aside and both competant , i feel more fun driving a 911 so will get a base 911 cab
over boxster/cayman
07-05-2012, 08:19 PM
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07-05-2012, 09:40 PM
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My butt dyno at the track for the Porsche World event conformed that the 991 3.4 had more oomph than the Boxter S as the revs went up. It was very easy to carry very high speeds through the corners in the Boxter S with 20s so it will have to be a head to head to know which will be best at track speeds. Less than that it just don't matter!
07-06-2012, 09:25 AM
#69
Is this Aug 2012? I keep looking but don't see it in Table of Contents. I don't subscribe but would download the issue if it's in there.
http://www.excellence-mag.com/issues/202
http://www.excellence-mag.com/issues/202
07-06-2012, 12:07 PM
#70
Handling is a tricky thing to measure as tires, amongst other suspension setups play a huge role.
A Cayman R/Spyder compare very favourably to Supercars in this perhaps simple Motortrend handling comparison:
http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...11-148669.html
The 991 Cab was recently tested on Ignition (Motortrend's youtube show) and ran a slower time around the figure 8 as compared to the Spyder and I believe on par or .1 slower than the 991S Coupe.
Not a definitive test, but something to indicate that handling performance across most of Porsche's models is really close.
A Cayman R/Spyder compare very favourably to Supercars in this perhaps simple Motortrend handling comparison:
http://wot.motortrend.com/the-10-bes...11-148669.html
The 991 Cab was recently tested on Ignition (Motortrend's youtube show) and ran a slower time around the figure 8 as compared to the Spyder and I believe on par or .1 slower than the 991S Coupe.
Not a definitive test, but something to indicate that handling performance across most of Porsche's models is really close.
11-20-2012, 01:41 AM
#72
After lots of spirited drives in 981 Boxster S, 991, and also some very lightly used 997.2S I ended up going with a base 991. The 981S is a fantastic car, but I previously had a z4 and s2000 and wanted something a bit more usable with some more interior space. This new boxster feels like you are sitting in a bucket, it's like there are walls on all sides, and this is coming from a guy who is 6'1". The driving dynamics of the 981 are fantastic though, and certinly feel far different than the 991, maybe even a bit more comfortable from a handling perspwctive or just more what i was used to from previous cars. The 997s is a fantastic drivers car also, but the 991 base easily keeps up with it and is more refined in ride and interior. Im not even done with the break in and I can tell you it's really rapid but it the same time you barely notice how fast you are going. I drove it 1000 miles from a dealer back to my home (700 miles in one of the days) and I didn't feel any fatigue after the trip at all. The base and the S are both fantastic, but the extra bit of torque in the S wasn't really worth it to me. I am used to revving the snot out of an engine( S2000 needed alot of that) and frankly love doing that in this car, althought I have only a handful of times while still in break in.
11-20-2012, 10:00 PM
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After lots of spirited drives in 981 Boxster S, 991, and also some very lightly used 997.2S I ended up going with a base 991. The 981S is a fantastic car, but I previously had a z4 and s2000 and wanted something a bit more usable with some more interior space. This new boxster feels like you are sitting in a bucket, it's like there are walls on all sides, and this is coming from a guy who is 6'1". The driving dynamics of the 981 are fantastic though, and certinly feel far different than the 991, maybe even a bit more comfortable from a handling perspwctive or just more what i was used to from previous cars. The 997s is a fantastic drivers car also, but the 991 base easily keeps up with it and is more refined in ride and interior. Im not even done with the break in and I can tell you it's really rapid but it the same time you barely notice how fast you are going. I drove it 1000 miles from a dealer back to my home (700 miles in one of the days) and I didn't feel any fatigue after the trip at all. The base and the S are both fantastic, but the extra bit of torque in the S wasn't really worth it to me. I am used to revving the snot out of an engine( S2000 needed alot of that) and frankly love doing that in this car, althought I have only a handful of times while still in break in.
11-21-2012, 10:22 PM
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Great Thread!
Picking up my 2012 991 Base Cab manual on Monday. My last car was an 09 S Coupe PDK. Decided I didn't need the extra power because I don't track it and just drive it around town on weekends. So where can I really use the extra power of an S? I drove the car that I am buying and my initial impression is that it is not significantly slower than my 09 S PDK.
My 09 burned oil like a 2 stroke! Hope the 3.4 is better in that regard.
Went back to a manual because for me I was bored driving the PDK even though it's a fabulous transmission. I find a manual to be more engaging especially if the car is not your daily driver.
Picking up my 2012 991 Base Cab manual on Monday. My last car was an 09 S Coupe PDK. Decided I didn't need the extra power because I don't track it and just drive it around town on weekends. So where can I really use the extra power of an S? I drove the car that I am buying and my initial impression is that it is not significantly slower than my 09 S PDK.
My 09 burned oil like a 2 stroke! Hope the 3.4 is better in that regard.
Went back to a manual because for me I was bored driving the PDK even though it's a fabulous transmission. I find a manual to be more engaging especially if the car is not your daily driver.
11-22-2012, 01:51 PM
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Great Thread!
Picking up my 2012 991 Base Cab manual on Monday. My last car was an 09 S Coupe PDK. Decided I didn't need the extra power because I don't track it and just drive it around town on weekends. So where can I really use the extra power of an S? I drove the car that I am buying and my initial impression is that it is not significantly slower than my 09 S PDK.
My 09 burned oil like a 2 stroke! Hope the 3.4 is better in that regard.
Went back to a manual because for me I was bored driving the PDK even though it's a fabulous transmission. I find a manual to be more engaging especially if the car is not your daily driver.
Picking up my 2012 991 Base Cab manual on Monday. My last car was an 09 S Coupe PDK. Decided I didn't need the extra power because I don't track it and just drive it around town on weekends. So where can I really use the extra power of an S? I drove the car that I am buying and my initial impression is that it is not significantly slower than my 09 S PDK.
My 09 burned oil like a 2 stroke! Hope the 3.4 is better in that regard.
Went back to a manual because for me I was bored driving the PDK even though it's a fabulous transmission. I find a manual to be more engaging especially if the car is not your daily driver.