991 US pricing released
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Some interesting confirmations here:
“All versions get by with significantly less than 10 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers (official U.S. EPA fuel mileage estimates are TBD) and fuel consumption and emissions are up to 16 percent lower in the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) when compared with the predecessor. This is achieved through systems such as the Automatic Start Stop function, engine and transmission thermal management, electrical system recuperation, the world's first seven-speed manual transmission and – in conjunction with the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK) – the ability to 'sail' or coast,” Porsche says.
“All versions get by with significantly less than 10 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers (official U.S. EPA fuel mileage estimates are TBD) and fuel consumption and emissions are up to 16 percent lower in the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) when compared with the predecessor. This is achieved through systems such as the Automatic Start Stop function, engine and transmission thermal management, electrical system recuperation, the world's first seven-speed manual transmission and – in conjunction with the Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK) – the ability to 'sail' or coast,” Porsche says.
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Definitely wheels would be upgraded on "S" as well as some other items. In 997, "S" cars came standard with Sports Chrono, Xenon, and larger wheels which is like a $4.5K upgrade, so the difference is around $10K between two cars with "S" options added.
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From: The NC
Good point! but... the differnce could be even less when you option out the Carrera with "S" standard items.
Definitely wheels would be upgraded on "S" as well as some other items. In 997, "S" cars came standard with Sports Chrono, Xenon, and larger wheels which is like a $4.5K upgrade, so the difference is around $10K between two cars with "S" options added.
Definitely wheels would be upgraded on "S" as well as some other items. In 997, "S" cars came standard with Sports Chrono, Xenon, and larger wheels which is like a $4.5K upgrade, so the difference is around $10K between two cars with "S" options added.
My point also assumes you may place more value in Paint-to-Sample, as an example than, over the standard "S" items, like red brake calipers, PASM and or white faced dials.
PS Xenon has been standard on both Carrera & S since 2009.
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997.1 C2 325 hp $69K, C2S 355 hp $79.0K : 30 hp gap : price delta $10.0K
997.2 C2 345 hp $79K, C2S 385 hp $91.9K : 40 hp gap : price delta $12.9K
991.1 C2 350 hp $82K, C2S 400 hp $96.4K : 50 hp gap : price delta $14.4K
But I do agree that the S is the better value. Not only more hp bang for the buck, but when I look at the weights listed, 1380kg for the 991 C2 vs. 1395kg for the 991 C2S, it's the S model that seems to have shed more weight. The C2 has lost weight too, but not as much.
(Note: The weights quoted are for the manual models, PDK models are heavier.)
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I don't see why you say the price gap is less. From my math, the price gap has increased as well.
997.1 C2 325 hp $69K, C2S 355 hp $79.0K : 30 hp gap : price delta $10.0K
997.2 C2 345 hp $79K, C2S 385 hp $91.9K : 40 hp gap : price delta $12.9K
991.1 C2 350 hp $82K, C2S 400 hp $96.4K : 50 hp gap : price delta $14.4K
But I do agree that the S is the better value. Not only more hp bang for the buck, but when I look at the weights listed, 1380kg for the 991 C2 vs. 1395kg for the 991 C2S, it's the S model that seems to have shed ~100lbs. The C2 has lost weight too, but not as much.
(Note: The weights quoted are for the manual models, PDK models are heavier.)
997.1 C2 325 hp $69K, C2S 355 hp $79.0K : 30 hp gap : price delta $10.0K
997.2 C2 345 hp $79K, C2S 385 hp $91.9K : 40 hp gap : price delta $12.9K
991.1 C2 350 hp $82K, C2S 400 hp $96.4K : 50 hp gap : price delta $14.4K
But I do agree that the S is the better value. Not only more hp bang for the buck, but when I look at the weights listed, 1380kg for the 991 C2 vs. 1395kg for the 991 C2S, it's the S model that seems to have shed ~100lbs. The C2 has lost weight too, but not as much.
(Note: The weights quoted are for the manual models, PDK models are heavier.)
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In the "Katalog" ( http://www.porsche-stuttgart.de/port...911Katalog.pdf )
Porsche quotes the following:
Carrera:
0-100 kph 4.8 (manual) 289 kph top
0-100 kph 4.6 (PDK) 287 kph top
Carrera S:
0-100 kph 4.5 (manual) 304 kph top
0-100 kph 4.3 (PDK) 302 kph top
The factory currently quotes the Carrera S at 4.1 (PDK) (using launch control, 4.3 without, 4.5 with a manual 6-speed) 0-60 mph.
You're still going to need a "S" to beat the "old" "S".
(yeah, 100 kph isn't 60 mph, but you get the point, hopefully...)
Porsche quotes the following:
Carrera:
0-100 kph 4.8 (manual) 289 kph top
0-100 kph 4.6 (PDK) 287 kph top
Carrera S:
0-100 kph 4.5 (manual) 304 kph top
0-100 kph 4.3 (PDK) 302 kph top
The factory currently quotes the Carrera S at 4.1 (PDK) (using launch control, 4.3 without, 4.5 with a manual 6-speed) 0-60 mph.
You're still going to need a "S" to beat the "old" "S".
(yeah, 100 kph isn't 60 mph, but you get the point, hopefully...)
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yeah 600 is not 55, but still.. i think it will be much quicker... horsepower doesnt mean everything, i know several 500hp vehicles that cant beat a 345hp porsche... just about getting the power to the road.. my 345hp 997.2 thoroughly impressed me compared to other 350hp vehicles i have driven....
i wonder how much like a tractor the 3.4 will sound like with exhaust.
i wonder how much like a tractor the 3.4 will sound like with exhaust.
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At least some of us think 14k is big money...
