991 US pricing released
08-24-2011, 12:35 AM
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thats what i feel for sure, the numbers reflect that and we all know they are conservative on their numbers..
im sure the new base will out perform the previous S (think 2011 cayenne) and the pricing will make great sense, we should all know horsepower is not everything.. same way 300hp in v6 cayenne this year kills the 300hp in previous chassis... so add 5hp but take away .3 seconds on 0-60 is a win in my book.
im sure the new base will out perform the previous S (think 2011 cayenne) and the pricing will make great sense, we should all know horsepower is not everything.. same way 300hp in v6 cayenne this year kills the 300hp in previous chassis... so add 5hp but take away .3 seconds on 0-60 is a win in my book.
08-24-2011, 01:40 AM
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thats what i feel for sure, the numbers reflect that and we all know they are conservative on their numbers..
im sure the new base will out perform the previous S (think 2011 cayenne) and the pricing will make great sense, we should all know horsepower is not everything.. same way 300hp in v6 cayenne this year kills the 300hp in previous chassis... so add 5hp but take away .3 seconds on 0-60 is a win in my book.
im sure the new base will out perform the previous S (think 2011 cayenne) and the pricing will make great sense, we should all know horsepower is not everything.. same way 300hp in v6 cayenne this year kills the 300hp in previous chassis... so add 5hp but take away .3 seconds on 0-60 is a win in my book.
I doubt the base 3.4 will beat a 3.8 let alone "kill" it.
Porsche is good, but not magical.
08-24-2011, 02:02 AM
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08-24-2011, 02:18 AM
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What is the torque spec for the new 3.4L?
08-24-2011, 02:28 AM
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US pricing seems very close to the mark IMHO.
In 2005 a 997.1 S had an MSRP of $79K, it had 355 hp. The new 991 base Carrera with an MSRP of $82K and most likely far superior performance, albeit with 350 hp, seems like a good value. Not everyone will be willing to stretch for the extra $14K plus to get into an 991 S, but for those who can, the pricing seems right too. For a daily driver, I'm sure the base 991 C2 will offer more than enough performance for many.
In 2005 a 997.1 S had an MSRP of $79K, it had 355 hp. The new 991 base Carrera with an MSRP of $82K and most likely far superior performance, albeit with 350 hp, seems like a good value. Not everyone will be willing to stretch for the extra $14K plus to get into an 991 S, but for those who can, the pricing seems right too. For a daily driver, I'm sure the base 991 C2 will offer more than enough performance for many.
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08-24-2011, 02:28 AM
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i wonder how much like a tractor the 3.4 will sound like with exhaust.
08-24-2011, 06:02 AM
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I'm considering both but leaning toward a new S. What makes the GTS so attractive to you? I didn't like the look of the new car at first but it's growing on me. Base GTS is $103ish & looks like base 991S will be under $98. I would delete alcantara on GTS so that's no plus for me.
08-24-2011, 06:38 AM
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imho they killed base carrera with such prices, not sure who will ever consider weak 3.4L engine if $14K will get you into 400+ horses zone. i read that 9a1 engine relatively easily gets tuned into 450 horses area.
previous gap was only 20 something horses with ECU tune getting 3.6L to 3.8L power level. now it is totally different game, and even less price gap than before.
previous gap was only 20 something horses with ECU tune getting 3.6L to 3.8L power level. now it is totally different game, and even less price gap than before.
08-24-2011, 09:10 AM
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For some people $14k for an option package is a significant chunk of change and enough to make it a emphatic "no" to the car.
08-24-2011, 10:32 AM
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I'm not entirely sure I grasp your meaning, Paul, because I'm not into modding as some are. Nevertheless, I do understand the word 'gap' so I have to protest that the gap between the 997 base and S models is not merely twenty horsepower. The 997 C2 is 345 hp and the C2S is 385 hp.
Why would someone buy the base model of either generation 911 who really wanted the higher horsepower? Wouldn't you be voiding the warranty to no real purpose when you could just buy the model with more horsepower off the shelf? Mind you, I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the idea.
I've always assumed people who bought the base model simply didn't feel the need for those extra forty ponies.
Gary
Why would someone buy the base model of either generation 911 who really wanted the higher horsepower? Wouldn't you be voiding the warranty to no real purpose when you could just buy the model with more horsepower off the shelf? Mind you, I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand the idea.
I've always assumed people who bought the base model simply didn't feel the need for those extra forty ponies.
Gary
as of 'why to buy base' - it was valid option if you wanted to rebuild the car. all 'S' options would be wasted anyway as they would be removed, like on my car. all i needed from a car was gearbox and engine. with m96 vs m97 it was not worth extra effort - those engines in 997.1 cars were very close performance wise despite what was written in tech specs.
08-24-2011, 10:36 AM
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In the "Katalog" ( http://www.porsche-stuttgart.de/port...911Katalog.pdf )
Porsche quotes the following:
Carrera:
0-100 kph 4.8 (manual) 289 kph top
0-100 kph 4.6 (PDK) 287 kph top
Carrera S:
0-100 kph 4.5 (manual) 304 kph top
0-100 kph 4.3 (PDK) 302 kph top
The factory currently quotes the Carrera S at 4.1 (PDK) (using launch control, 4.3 without, 4.5 with a manual 6-speed) 0-60 mph.
You're still going to need a "S" to beat the "old" "S".
(yeah, 100 kph isn't 60 mph, but you get the point, hopefully...)
Porsche quotes the following:
Carrera:
0-100 kph 4.8 (manual) 289 kph top
0-100 kph 4.6 (PDK) 287 kph top
Carrera S:
0-100 kph 4.5 (manual) 304 kph top
0-100 kph 4.3 (PDK) 302 kph top
The factory currently quotes the Carrera S at 4.1 (PDK) (using launch control, 4.3 without, 4.5 with a manual 6-speed) 0-60 mph.
You're still going to need a "S" to beat the "old" "S".
(yeah, 100 kph isn't 60 mph, but you get the point, hopefully...)
08-24-2011, 12:04 PM
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