IXLR8

How are those coolant pumps doing, by the way? That extra vacuum line on it is a real improvement.

G8tor

I’ve just passed 48,000 miles on my 2015 GTS, I don’t worry about the miles, took it on a 1800 mile trip last year.

I may have missed it, but have you driven both?

My opinion is while the 991.2 has newer tech, there are solutions for adding Apple and Android car play to the 991.1. I drove my friends 991.2 Targa GTS and yeah you can really feel the low end torque but unless you’re planning on tracking it I’m not sure what the point is. I do think the rear end and specifically the real lights look better on the 991.2.

Whatever you decide it won’t be a bad decision.

Porsche911GTS'16

I can vouch that adding CarPlay to the 991.1 is not only doable as a DIY, but it definitely takes the driving experience to a whole new level.

9Gyarah

Please elaborate. I heard the issue was only on the 2017/2018 and not on the 2019. Also Porsche extended warranty on that issue to 10 years. Is it like the 991.1 GT3 issue which when vs if it will happen or does this one only affect some cars? Thanks.

9Gyarah

Yes driven both. I ran into a similar dilemma back in 2019 choosing between 2k mile 2018 718 CGTS and a 13k mile 981 CGTS but there the choice was easy as the 981 was glorious compared to the crappy 4 cylinder Porsche went to on the 718.

Here the choice would be easy for me if it was an apples to apples comparison.... I would take the NA GTS all day but honestly with the PSE the 991.2 S wasn't bad at all. My only other concern on the GTS is the 38k miles with no warranty. It's not a lot of miles but when I go to sell it after 4-5 years it will be in the 75k range and that would be a huge hit on the price. The 991.2 on the other hand is only at 11k miles with CPO at the same price.

Yes yes I know I should not look a resale when buying but the only reason I have been able to afford these cars comfortably is by buying at low miles and selling under 40k miles. The depreciation is negligible.

So to summarize I guess the question is, how would a 2016 GTS do 4-5 years from now on pricing with 75k miles vs a 991.2 with 45k miles.

Also wanted to know how is the power difference between the GTS and the 991.2? The GTS felt pretty quick though not as torquey as the 991.2. I ruled out the 991.1 S's cuz they felt slow.

Thanks for all the feedback.

IXLR8

Like many things on the internet, things are blown out of proportion and other times not. I have seen a few RL members have their .2 coolant pumps replaced more than once. And 10 years is fine IF Porsche redesigns it to be reliable. What happens after 10 years?

In the .2 models, they shut off the coolant pump by vacuum for a faster warm-up probably to satisfy emissions. It is explained in the PDF link in the following thread.

Get to know your 991.1 or 991.2 - by Porsche

TiptonInAustin

I think it is all 2017 to 2019's with a specific option.

​​​​​​It matters to few people, but I like goof around, and the 991.1 isn't the car for that. I'm guessing a 991.2 might be.

Mercedes gives you 9 stages, Ferrari gives you five, but this 991.1 is only on or off. Boo.

PCS911

Buy the one in the color you like best LOL

ps I have the '19 S with MT and PowerKit and LOVE it.

Watson

Sorry to go off topic but could you explain how you made that DIY to get Apple Carplay? Thanks

Porsche911GTS'16

Check out this thread and my reply (#1880): https://rennlist.com/forums/991/1045...l#post19227643

Watson

Thank you @Porsche911GTS'16 !

IXLR8

I'm assuming CarPlay is an addition to the stereo for Apple users? I just see that term the odd time on RL. My stereo is off all the time because I like listening to the engine.

And you are missing a manual to take the driving experience to a whole new level.

Cityfisher

mine was changed in 2020 by previous owner. Guess I'm good for 3 more years if it decides to fail again. That said, majority of waterpump failures are noticed before it could cause major damage by lack of coolant, and most indys consider this job as simple and likely under 1500( try double at a dealer)

IXLR8

Exactly why I have my MFD set up to read critical engine data (comes from my flying days)...

• Coolant Temperature
• Oil Temperature
• Oil Pressure
• Voltage

Also note that the Coolant Temperature has a dead spot designed in by Porsche. I was always wondering why it pegged at 90C. Rennlist member asellus has a thread explaining it all.

And as for wrenching on vehicles, the intermittent coolant leak I had back in 2020/2021 between the coolant pipe and thermostat housing (typical on the 991.1), I repaired that myself. Having worked on everything from model aircraft to real aircraft with motorcycles and cars in between, any repair I'll do myself. Taking cars to shops is like letting the fox loose in the hen house.

G8tor

My sisters brother in-law does something like you’ve described but almost to an extreme. He buys a new sports car no more than every other year and really restricts how much he drives them so he can get most of his money out for the next one.

I’m of the other camp, I would like to keep my car for as long as possible and don’t shy away from driving it all I can (wife’s car is a Macan GTS but I’ll drive my car 99% of the time). I don’t buy for resell but would like to think when it hits 20 years old or so the 15-16 GTS is going to be preferable over even a lower mileage 2019 S, but I think you’re correct about resale looking 4-5 years ahead.

I would advise my younger self to do in the present what makes you the happiest (within reason), and wish I hadn’t worried about having enough for retirement.

Good luck either choice should end well.