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the T just has lightweight rear glass, shorter gearing than base, rear diff mechanical only on 6 speed, less sound damping, available rear steering, and optional carbon buckets…
it sits above a base and lower than an S with a sport package as it was designed…
it’s not a GT and not super special, it’s literally just S parts thrown in a base with rear glass from GT3RS
One of the first mods I did on my T was semi solid engine mounts. I managed to snap a pic. I have nothing to compare it to but I highly doubt there is a difference in mounting location vs other 991.2 models. The pic below is taken looking down from where the spoiler would be on the left side.
Curious if you noticed a difference with the mounts? If so what is it you have noticed? what brand did you get?
the T just has lightweight rear glass, shorter gearing than base, rear diff mechanical only on 6 speed, less sound damping, available rear steering, and optional carbon buckets…
it sits above a base and lower than an S with a sport package as it was designed…
it’s not a GT and not super special, it’s literally just S parts thrown in a base with rear glass from GT3RS
Spot On Snake Eyes! And rear differential mechanical (PTV) is on ALL Porsche models with MT above the base Carrera. The “T” is a just a base Carrera with a mixture of highly desirable sport upgrades and options sold as a package. Fabulous marketing at work for decades. It is a legacy designation from the old G body 911T which was a base 911 with all the desirable sport upgrades. Same theory as the GTS. Automotive industry been doing this for decades. Kinda like a Z28 package on a 1969 Camaro (which reveals my age). Ha ha.
…I just want to see the pics promised above. Either way it wouldn’t surprise me. Porsche has taken the 911 from a Base Carrera to an insane GT2 RS. There are literally thousands of options that an owner can select all with different wiring harnesses, or even potential frame modifications for simple things such as rear seat delete. Is it probable that the motor mounts were moved for the T…nope. Is it possible…yup and only pictures will prove it.
Although I understand the sentiment, I still do not agree with going out of the way to "put down" or simplify something that has a special place in someone's (or a group of people's) Heart.
Just because a group of folks hold something dear, place it on a pedestal doesn't mean it diminishes the value or place of anything else.
Whether the T is as special as the fans claim, or its a marketing trim made of parts bin.... its no less special than any of the 911 trims... because it brings joy, admiration and fun to hundreds if not thousands of happy owners..
just a thought.. Be kind! (doesn't cost a Dime)
Last edited by desmotesta; Jan 17, 2022 at 09:05 PM.
…I just want to see the pics promised above. Either way it wouldn’t surprise me. Porsche has taken the 911 from a Base Carrera to an insane GT2 RS. There are literally thousands of options that an owner can select all with different wiring harnesses, or even potential frame modifications for simple things such as rear seat delete. Is it probable that the motor mounts were moved for the T…nope. Is it possible…yup and only pictures will prove it.
Rear seat delete (interior option) requires a frame modification?????
There are holes/attachments that are not welded into place, hence putting seatbelts back there if you selected rear seat delete is a no go. Completely minor but yet another “modification” based on options.
Although I understand the sentiment, I still do not agree with going out of the way to "put down" or simplify something that has a special place in someone's (or a group of people's) Heart.
Just because a group of folks hold something dear, place it on a pedestal doesn't mean it diminishes the value or place of anything else.
Whether the T is as special as the fans claim, or its a marketing trim made of parts bin.... its no less special than any of the 911 trims... because it brings joy, admiration and fun to hundreds if not thousands of happy owners..
just a thought.. Be kind! (does cost a Dime)
good point!
Fwiw Imdont think anyone’s realistically claiming it’s a gt car.
And sure it’s got parts found on every tier above the base - but here’s the thing Porsche brought those parts together. I mean how much time & effort, not to mention obsessive determination, would it take to add AWS to a base car or remove the sound deadening? (Love hearing the little gravel,hitting the inside of the wheel well even on a slow turn.
There are holes/attachments that are not welded into place, hence putting seatbelts back there if you selected rear seat delete is a no go. Completely minor but yet another “modification” based on options.
Maybe we are hung up on semantics here. But the holes for the rear seat belts are already on ALL frames coming down the assembly line. The frame is never modified. Whether the seat belts are bolted to those holes depends on the option selected of rear seats or rear seat delete. But there are no modifications to the frame performed coming down the assembly line based on the rear seat interior option. The seat belts are either anchored into the frame for rear seats or not necessary if a rear seat delete.
Let’s put this to bed. Volume 4 of Kurt Ludvigsen’s Porsche: “Excellence Was Expected” at the sub chapter titled “Introducing the year-2020 Type 992” at page 654 quotes August “Gusti” Achleitner discussing chassis stiffness improvements and the dynamic mounts for ALL 992 models: “We now have a connection between the cylinder heads on both sides that links directly to the body’s longitudinal beams. It makes the whole system stiffer….Here the dynamic engine mounts played a role. They were shifted eight inches forward, nearer the engine’s center of gravity, where the difference between hard and soft took greater fact.”
I wonder if this was taken out of context however….
Compared to the 997, the 991 is slightly larger, with the wheelbase increased by 100 mm (3.9 in) to 2,450 mm (96.5 in), and the overall length up by 70 mm (2.8 in) to 4,490 mm (176.8 in).[2] A new transaxle was developed so that the rear wheels could be moved 76 mm (3 in) backward in relation to the position of the engine, which significantly improves the weight distribution and cornering performance of the car.[3][4]
Maybe we are hung up on semantics here. But the holes for the rear seat belts are already on ALL frames coming down the assembly line. The frame is never modified. Whether the seat belts are bolted to those holes depends on the option selected of rear seats or rear seat delete. But there are no modifications to the frame performed coming down the assembly line based on the rear seat interior option. The seat belts are either anchored into the frame for rear seats or not necessary if a rear seat delete.
All the mounting points (seat belt and threaded holes for seat, etc) are there except the pin to hold up the seat back. These are welded to the inner fender wells. The items in red circle are missing on a Carrera T with LwB and are missing on GT cars. Ie Carrera T with LWB have same part number inner fender well as GT cars.
While investing the installation of rear seats in a factory rear seat delete car I found the above to be accurate. What I discovered on my own is that the seatbelt anchors in the door sills are missing on my car; the holes are there, but no bosses to thread bolts into.
Last edited by Zylinderkopfdichtung; Jan 17, 2022 at 11:49 PM.
Moving the engine mounts forward two full inches almost certainly did not happen for a small run of cars. The amount of engineering alone to make that happen wouldn't be worth it. Moreover, if there were two inches of space to move the engine in the first place, the engineers would have done it for every trim, not just the T.
Not to add to the conspiracy theory but I thought this was an interesting note in a Total 911 article where they compare a Carrera to a T.
"What is also clear is how much more alert it all feels in the T. The 3.0-litre unit’s character is notably different – more distinct than in the Carrera – with an edge that suggests changes that Porsche isn’t admitting to. The keenness to rev is enough to have me checking the specification to see if the flywheel has been changed from dual-mass to single. It hasn’t, but the differences here, its eagerness to chase the redline and the low feeling of inertia and immediate response, suggest it has. That may be down to some ECU trickery, or simply just development, Porsche more than any other manufacturer making slight changes to its cars specifications over time which can add up to a sizeable whole."
