Dilemma: Trade my 991.1 for the 992....
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Here is my list of P Cars owned and traded
2014 Cayman Base; traded in for,
2017 custom ordered Macan S; traded in for,
2017 Macan GTS; traded in for,
2020 custom ordered 992 C2S; TRADED in for, (9 months ownership)
2018 used 991.2 C2S, traded in for,(3 months ownership)
2019 leftover new 991.2 C4S, my final 911. It's scaled correctly, uses better interior materials, not as fast as 992, but I can control everything with buttons, as opposed to screens. It also has zero rattles.
I hope they got the 992 screwed together better, and have worked through the recalls; software updates. All I know is, my 991.2 is a sports car that brings a smile to my face each time i drive it. And if I had the garage space, I'd add a 2007 997 and a 1996 993 if I could. Also great 911's for different reasons. But the 992; it's a 2 door Panamera in my opinion. just not for me.
2014 Cayman Base; traded in for,
2017 custom ordered Macan S; traded in for,
2017 Macan GTS; traded in for,
2020 custom ordered 992 C2S; TRADED in for, (9 months ownership)
2018 used 991.2 C2S, traded in for,(3 months ownership)
2019 leftover new 991.2 C4S, my final 911. It's scaled correctly, uses better interior materials, not as fast as 992, but I can control everything with buttons, as opposed to screens. It also has zero rattles.
I hope they got the 992 screwed together better, and have worked through the recalls; software updates. All I know is, my 991.2 is a sports car that brings a smile to my face each time i drive it. And if I had the garage space, I'd add a 2007 997 and a 1996 993 if I could. Also great 911's for different reasons. But the 992; it's a 2 door Panamera in my opinion. just not for me.
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I keyed into the OP's comment of I drove the 992 and I'm not sure how I feel. That alone should make you think twice. Can't say I've ever driven a car that I was ambivalent to at first and then I liked it more later. If you don't love it straight away, I'd keep your 991.
I spent a fair amount of time testing the 992S on roads I knew along side my 991. At the end of the day, for me, I was not convinced it was the better car. I hated the interior and the ergonomics and could not get past that.
Drive the 992 again if you can and then decide.
I spent a fair amount of time testing the 992S on roads I knew along side my 991. At the end of the day, for me, I was not convinced it was the better car. I hated the interior and the ergonomics and could not get past that.
Drive the 992 again if you can and then decide.
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Have driven the 991.2 (GTS and Turbo), Cayman and the 992 Carrera S at the Porsche PTX. All very capable.
Own an ordered late production 991.2 C4S. Very happy with it and not going to trade or sell.
The 992 has various features that aren’t appealing and needlessly complex (examples, door handles and shift control). Plus it’s a new model that needs shaking down.
My only regret was not ordering a 991.2 Turbo, but was held back by the lack of a manual.
All boils down to personal preferences.
Own an ordered late production 991.2 C4S. Very happy with it and not going to trade or sell.
The 992 has various features that aren’t appealing and needlessly complex (examples, door handles and shift control). Plus it’s a new model that needs shaking down.
My only regret was not ordering a 991.2 Turbo, but was held back by the lack of a manual.
All boils down to personal preferences.
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Originally Posted by Definition of Abstract, Merriam-Webster
Essential Meaning of abstract
1: relating to or involving general ideas or qualities rather than specific people, objects, or actions
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\\abstract ideas/concepts such as love and hate
1: relating to or involving general ideas or qualities rather than specific people, objects, or actions
\\abstract thinking
\\abstract ideas/concepts such as love and hate
Regret is, by literal definition, an abstract concept. You can't put it in a box, point at it, talk to it, physically do it; it's abstract.
As such, it is, actually, impossible to predict if someone will feel an abstract concept such as regret. Words people choose can offer clues, but we've all said many things we later wondered what made us think that way, and had no real explanation for it.
This is really actually intriguing to me, because with enough data- could you predict such a thing? Like, if we had access to all the MEASURABLE things, like what words someone chose on a forum post asking a direct question about something they're trying to determine if they would regret- could we effectively predict if they would or not?
This actually goes down a rabbit hole that I've been considering deeply investigating, psycholinguistics. My career has taken me down a comp-sci path, but I've always been super interested in psychology... this kind of combines both, and has some really interesting real-world implications...
In any case, the psychology of asking a question of if a 991 is better than a 992 in a 991 forum should be pretty easy to figure out, and there's tons of evidence in this thread. I'm sure there are tons of examples already over there... find a couple other data sources, social media should have plenty of those, but oh man it would be great to add things like web activity (websites visited, how long someone lingers on a site e.g., spending hours playing around with a configurator, etc....), then just need a way to extract and compile all the data and build an algorithm...
But you seem to have all this figured out already? That is genuinely impressive.
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The measurable item is the OP stating: "The price difference is about $65k..." That in itself makes the decision to stay with the 991.1.
If you need piece of mind with a Warranty, spend $3.5K on a Fidelity and keep the other $61.5K in your pocket. Then after enjoying your 991.1 for a few more years,
and all these crazy supply issues calm down, revisit your options.![burnout](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/burnout.gif)
If you need piece of mind with a Warranty, spend $3.5K on a Fidelity and keep the other $61.5K in your pocket. Then after enjoying your 991.1 for a few more years,
and all these crazy supply issues calm down, revisit your options.
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The only reason I don’t have a 992 is that I don’t want to spend that much money on a car. I’ve never driven one but the reviews and forum posts suggest that they’re amazing. There are rare cases where folks go 992 -> 991 for subjective reasons and I get that, but the majority probably love the newer vehicle.
As for all the talk of driver engagement being less with the 992, I kept hearing the same about the 991 when I had my 997. While I loved my 997, the 991.1 is superior in every way. Folks might argue about steering feel and engagement, but I felt that the newer car was a step up.
i say go ahead and scratch the itch - otherwise you will continue to wonder. If you miss the 991.1 you will find one when the market normalizes.
As for all the talk of driver engagement being less with the 992, I kept hearing the same about the 991 when I had my 997. While I loved my 997, the 991.1 is superior in every way. Folks might argue about steering feel and engagement, but I felt that the newer car was a step up.
i say go ahead and scratch the itch - otherwise you will continue to wonder. If you miss the 991.1 you will find one when the market normalizes.
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At some point there was a discussion if one should trade in their 993 for the 996. There will always be a newer 911, always, and that will never end. 991.1 is the last of the true NA motor 911 Base/S/GTS. I bet a lot of people regret now getting rid of their "last of the aircooled" Pcar for the fried egg disaster ...but it was newer though.
Just my opinion. 992 does look good from behind.
Just my opinion. 992 does look good from behind.
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as petty as this sounds, if the non GT 911s were offered with the PDK stalk they have (as opposed to the electric razor that, correct me if i am wrong, does not even have a shifting function) i would consider one. it's an absolute non starter to have paddles on a wheel and no other way to shift for me.
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as petty as this sounds, if the non GT 911s were offered with the PDK stalk they have (as opposed to the electric razor that, correct me if i am wrong, does not even have a shifting function) i would consider one. it's an absolute non starter to have paddles on a wheel and no other way to shift for me.
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The reason for the PDK gear shift lever in GT 992 cars is because the transmission is a slightly massaged carryover from the 991.2 GT cars, which still uses a mechanic linkage for the PDK box. The 992 non-GT cars with the razor shifter have the 8sp PDK which uses no mechanic shift linkage.
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The reason for the PDK gear shift lever in GT 992 cars is because the transmission is a slightly massaged carryover from the 991.2 GT cars, which still uses a mechanic linkage for the PDK box. The 992 non-GT cars with the razor shifter have the 8sp PDK which uses no mechanic shift linkage.
I will be very surprised if the nubbin is not replaced with a functional gear shifter in the 992.2 Carrera.
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Quick question for you mr 911.1 guy , I am thinking of switching from a 911.2 targa to a 992 targa gts. Sounds like from you experience owning both that you would not. Is that correct.? Thanks
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I wouldnt trade my 991.1 gts for a brand new 992 gts.....
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