Stop Sale Lifted.
09-17-2021, 08:09 AM
#16
I have some warranty service
I wonder if I can require they dont update ?
09-17-2021, 09:56 AM
#17
Nordschleife Master
I am assuming Porsche will send out letters to all affected owners as to what their options are.
09-17-2021, 11:24 AM
#18
Rennlist Member
Anyone gone to a dealership and tested the "modified" cars?
Having gone through dieselgate, I am wary of anything that the VW group does to appease the government
Having gone through dieselgate, I am wary of anything that the VW group does to appease the government
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09-17-2021, 11:42 AM
#19
Drifting
Any recall would be posted on National Highway Traffic Safety Administration website, nothing there yet:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2013/P...Communications
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2013/P...Communications
09-17-2021, 12:11 PM
#20
Racer
i could see e-test facilities stepping in to indirectly require the "update"?? pure speculation on my behalf.... but it would seem easy for Porsche to supply vin's in question to be red flagged when e-test time comes. by simply not passing the effected vin's (thus no plate/registration in states that require e-tests), the update could be required by holding your plates/registration hostage?. again...just thinking out loud here.
regardless.....don't like the sounds of this. thinking it's not gonna end well
regardless.....don't like the sounds of this. thinking it's not gonna end well
09-17-2021, 02:24 PM
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Here are few examples, one on a software fix and the other on approved wheels and spacers:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...99818-0001.pdf
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...98951-0001.pdf
and here is one on Historical information on Porsche product evolution:
Porsche Evolution – 1948-2021
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...89921-0001.pdf
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09-17-2021, 02:52 PM
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i could see e-test facilities stepping in to indirectly require the "update"?? pure speculation on my behalf.... but it would seem easy for Porsche to supply vin's in question to be red flagged when e-test time comes. by simply not passing the effected vin's (thus no plate/registration in states that require e-tests), the update could be required by holding your plates/registration hostage?. again...just thinking out loud here.
regardless.....don't like the sounds of this. thinking it's not gonna end well
regardless.....don't like the sounds of this. thinking it's not gonna end well
09-17-2021, 04:02 PM
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Again, none of this has been very clear from day 1, just that PNA is covering their asses preemptively. Here's hoping the solution doesn't hurt performance and doesn't get forced on anyone who doesn't want it.
09-19-2021, 11:04 AM
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09-20-2021, 08:27 AM
#25
Burning Brakes
Several people in the original thread here stated that the manuals had been released from the sales ban. Perhaps that's not been universally applied to all situations/dealers. There just aren't enough manuals for sale to be certain but I was basing it on the anecdotes in that thread.
Again, none of this has been very clear from day 1, just that PNA is covering their asses preemptively. Here's hoping the solution doesn't hurt performance and doesn't get forced on anyone who doesn't want it.
Again, none of this has been very clear from day 1, just that PNA is covering their asses preemptively. Here's hoping the solution doesn't hurt performance and doesn't get forced on anyone who doesn't want it.
Might be a canadian thing. who knows.. I put a deposit on a 2012 c2s manual with sports chrono but dealership says they can't release release car until the stop sale is lifted. This was back in May 2021 ... I got a great deal or else I would have walked a d get my deposit back.
09-20-2021, 08:33 AM
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09-20-2021, 09:51 AM
#27
Nordschleife Master
They already admitted wrongdoing and paid a big fine with VW Dieselgate. The reputation is already tainted.
09-20-2021, 10:43 PM
#28
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If I recall correctly the lawsuit (and subsequent Stop Sale order) was brought because actual MPG drops lower than the claimed MPG when Sports Plus is engaged (i.e. only cars with Sports Chrono). If there is a software fix then it is likely designed to fix the MPG claim, and I can't help think, therefore, that it will somehow neuter the Sports Plus mode.
I don't think that would matter all that much to me. When I want to drive, ahem, enthusiastically on public roads, the Sport button is just fine and I never* use Sport Plus. That said I didn't buy the car for it's MPG, so unless the software update fix comes with extra HP they're not touching my car. No neutering thank you very much - my car needs to remain full fat, full beans and with gonads intact.
*For the record - I tried Sport Plus once and the banging redline shifts were not to my liking - plus I don't track the car, so those 'few tenths' off my Nurburgring lap time aren't needed. YMMV.
I don't think that would matter all that much to me. When I want to drive, ahem, enthusiastically on public roads, the Sport button is just fine and I never* use Sport Plus. That said I didn't buy the car for it's MPG, so unless the software update fix comes with extra HP they're not touching my car. No neutering thank you very much - my car needs to remain full fat, full beans and with gonads intact.
*For the record - I tried Sport Plus once and the banging redline shifts were not to my liking - plus I don't track the car, so those 'few tenths' off my Nurburgring lap time aren't needed. YMMV.
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