Tial M660 Turbo's for 991.2
08-18-2021, 04:13 PM
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08-19-2021, 09:51 AM
#62
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I know from experience that part of the fun with mods is to create something unique. That said, at what point does the mod list tip the balance between a significant build and starting with a different model/platform in the same family? As a hypothetical, would the results from the mods on the 991 C4, GTS, Carrera etc have been similarly achieved by starting instead with a 991 Turbo or Turbo S?
08-19-2021, 11:11 AM
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I know from experience that part of the fun with mods is to create something unique. That said, at what point does the mod list tip the balance between a significant build and starting with a different model/platform in the same family? As a hypothetical, would the results from the mods on the 991 C4, GTS, Carrera etc have been similarly achieved by starting instead with a 991 Turbo or Turbo S?
08-19-2021, 03:50 PM
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I know from experience that part of the fun with mods is to create something unique. That said, at what point does the mod list tip the balance between a significant build and starting with a different model/platform in the same family? As a hypothetical, would the results from the mods on the 991 C4, GTS, Carrera etc have been similarly achieved by starting instead with a 991 Turbo or Turbo S?
Both were planned to be modded to some degree (Turbo or whatever 991.2 base Carrera variant), but after seeing the tuning capabilities of the 9A2, witnessing what APR managed with stock turbos and E85 without fuel limitations, I became more drawn to the 991.2 Carrera platform because of its potential and price point.
Another factor is that price point, I managed to scoop up my 991.2 C4 just before the microchip shortage hit the auto industry and inflated the market. The price difference between a 991.1 Turbo/S and my C4 was still on average 20-40k more (depending on spec/mileage) and the majority of “affordable” ones were much much higher mileage - most being more than double the 24k miles on my C4.
I also haven’t found the 991.2 platform to be any more expensive than the last car I bought (‘17 AMG C63S Coupe) in terms of mods, so even after a hybrid turbo build, it’s still much more affordable in comparison to a decent 991.1 Turbo/S. The turbos and upgrades on the 991.2 aren’t cost prohibitive especially when they have the ability to exceed GT2RS levels of power on base stock frame turbos with excellent engineered cores.
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08-31-2021, 05:15 PM
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09-01-2021, 06:37 AM
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09-02-2021, 01:50 AM
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Nice upgrade! Do they share the same wheel specs as the 660’s with the larger GTS housings?
09-02-2021, 01:59 AM
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09-02-2021, 12:12 PM
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These M800’s will really be testing the limits of the PDK. Has anyone called Dodson yet? 😆
09-02-2021, 04:17 PM
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When they say a base has no lag, what they really mean is it has no power! When it comes on boost, there is no real additional pull. So them make up terms and try to tart it up and say things like the power is linear just like an N/A. You mean its Slow, just like an n/a.
A properly tuned GTS has no lag. The turbo’s on a GTS are still tiny. Even M800 are small on todays standards and when mentioning lag.
If you are experiencing true lag, change tuners.
Evey single person that gets in my car, the first words from their mouth when they hit the Pedal is to take the lords name in vane. 🤣. Not once has anyone said, oh it lags a bit. Its usually Jesus this thing hammers.
A base is not responsive and instant power. It just has no power. I get into a base and think its broken.
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09-02-2021, 05:07 PM
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I hate to break the news to all of the journo’s and all the people that repeat their words, but a tuned GTS has zero lag. My car jumps everything on the planet. Including a Tesla P100D.
When they say a base has no lag, what they really mean is it has no power! When it comes on boost, there is no real additional pull. So them make up terms and try to tart it up and say things like the power is linear just like an N/A. You mean its Slow, just like an n/a.
A properly tuned GTS has no lag. The turbo’s on a GTS are still tiny. Even M800 are small on todays standards and when mentioning lag.
If you are experiencing true lag, change tuners.
Evey single person that gets in my car, the first words from their mouth when they hit the Pedal is to take the lords name in vane. 🤣. Not once has anyone said, oh it lags a bit. Its usually Jesus this thing hammers.
A base is not responsive and instant power. It just has no power. I get into a base and think its broken.
When they say a base has no lag, what they really mean is it has no power! When it comes on boost, there is no real additional pull. So them make up terms and try to tart it up and say things like the power is linear just like an N/A. You mean its Slow, just like an n/a.
A properly tuned GTS has no lag. The turbo’s on a GTS are still tiny. Even M800 are small on todays standards and when mentioning lag.
If you are experiencing true lag, change tuners.
Evey single person that gets in my car, the first words from their mouth when they hit the Pedal is to take the lords name in vane. 🤣. Not once has anyone said, oh it lags a bit. Its usually Jesus this thing hammers.
A base is not responsive and instant power. It just has no power. I get into a base and think its broken.
09-02-2021, 05:14 PM
#74
My plaid would beat the eyebrows off of my GTS on the hit even with the 911 at 5k rpm on the hit unless I was fully brake boosted in the Porsche…and even then it wouldn’t be a race at all, even during the first couple of seconds. I don’t care how “instantaneous” you think your highly puffed up 3L is, a big HP performance EV will crush it from the millisecond you both hit the throttle.
The P100D thought he would crush all, and he lost to everything. The best it could do was keep up for the first 60 feet.
I’m sure the new kid on the block is a red light hero. But who cares. It would fall over at the first corner and after 5 laps need to rest in the garage for the rest of the day. I have zero interest in EV’s even if it was 0-60 in 0.0001 seconds. They are a one trick wonder.
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